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perisoft
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: The Low-End Shootout |
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So, everybody's posting screenshots of their tweaked out 8500s, blended G90s, ISF calibrated 909s...
But that's no challenge, is it? Of course those projectors look good.
So, my challenge is this - to get the absolute best screenshot with the worst projector you can find. The lowest ranked PJ capable of higher-than-480i is the ECP2000, for instance. But hey, you can go one up on that - how about one of the video only sets which don't even make it on the list?
The rules are - the screenshot is 1000 pixels wide, with at least 900 of that being the projected image. You can get the image to the PJ any way you want, and process it any way you want on the way, as long as it's a still from a watchable movie. No fair carefully tailoring a single image to look good! 
What do you say? Anybody want to rumble?
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kal
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Location: Ottawa, Canada
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CRT_Ben
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Location: Northern Virginia
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Ah, but how to deal with in-camera sharpening? All cameras do it, to a degree. Are those of us that shoot RAW with our DSLRs allowed some unsharp mask?
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Tinman
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Location: Carson City Nevada
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Here's my low-end screenshot. The screen. No light, no flash, no projector. Just screen. 
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AnalogRocks
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Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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| Tinman wrote: | Here's my low-end screenshot. The screen. No light, no flash, no projector. Just screen.
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WOW! :shcok: not bad, but your screen has a vertical color shift. 
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Tinman
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Yeah, patio windows are open, light through the back and kitchen..... it's a difficult art... yet I toil onward...
Marc
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ecrabb
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TV/Projector: JVC RS40, Epson 5010
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Your corner focus needs some work and uniformity is terrible - must have some bad wear on the tubes.
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Fujifrontier
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Location: San Antonio, Texas
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a lowball projector... You mean, like, say, an image frmo a 1020? hahaha
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MikeEby
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Bad post....Didn't understand the rules.
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CRT_Ben
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Uhm, maybe you missed the point of the thread? I know you're feeling puffed up from defending your XG in the rankings thread, but it's not exactly in the same class as 480i video machines, eh?
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MikeEby
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Opps..sorry I didn't see the 480i part just saw the unmoded helped if I read....But this image is soft and unusable per the new rankings. Sorry Kal 
I will delete my post....Sorry
EDIT: How do you you delete? Guess I will just edit.
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perisoft
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Any low-end PJ will do. Kind of any PJ nobody around here would use because far better ones are so cheap - like, 1271s are way too good. But 10xx, yeah, there you go!
Now I've just got to bust out my Barco Vision 600...
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CRT_Ben
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| perisoft wrote: | Any low-end PJ will do. Kind of any PJ nobody around here would use because far better ones are so cheap - like, 1271s are way too good. But 10xx, yeah, there you go!
Now I've just got to bust out my Barco Vision 600... |
I have a 1042q sitting in the garage, in a big flight case...maybe I'll have to fire that sucker up 
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gregstv
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Here are some pics i took when i had a sony vph2030
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Zebu Fellenz
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Greg,
That looks pretty bright, how wide is the screen?
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gregstv
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92 inch 16 by 9 format.I fitted a set of 07mp tubes and a set of HD145 lens.
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gregstv
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Thay were not 07mp thay were 07ms from a vph1001
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Heywood Jablome
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Hey Kal! Don't be bashful... dust off those BG800 pics of yours.
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kal
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| Heywood Jablome wrote: | | Hey Kal! Don't be bashful... dust off those BG800 pics of yours. |
Oh yeah! I forgot about those... I suppose a Barco 800 is now considered bottom of the heap!
Ok, here's the the post I made back in March 2006:
| Quote: | The BG800 come down in Fall 2005 (replaced with a 155 hour Zenith PRO 1200x), so I figured after 4 years it was about time I took some screenshots.
Just thought I'd post this as it seems that some of the older 8" ES CRT models like this don't get any love around here anymore. I still find it amazing what the coloured glycol does for NTSC DVD playback. You won't get colours like this from a stock Barco 70x/808/808s/1208/1209, Marquee 8xxx/9xxx, etc. as they all use clear glycol or [mostly] clear c-elements!
HT equipment used:
- A 26,000 hour (yes, that's 26,000) BG800 with still pristine (obviously not original) tubes with zero wear. Contrast at 65/100. I replaced most e-caps in this machine a couple of years back along with the RGB output FETs and a few other power semiconductors. (This was done to increase convergence stability as the set was getting a bit old).
- Source is a 4 year old HTPC running TheaterTek 1.2 with an ATI 7200 video card (old!). Nothing fancy. No post-processing with FFDshow or the like. Just TheaterTek driving the $30 ATI 7200 video card out to the projector.
- Screen is 1.1-1.2 gain made from 96x54" curtain blackout material painted with Behr Ultrawhite paint. More info here.
Photography equipment used: Canon Digital Rebel SLR camera (model 300D), 50mm prime lens, tripod. Camera set to aperature priority (most shots are f/4), used timer to avoid camera shake. I shot all in RAW format and developed using Phase One C1 Pro instead of letting the camera do the developing for me.
I've been incredibly happy with the picture quality that this thing has put out over the years (even more so after the upgrades I did to it). The level of image quality the main reason why I haven't been in any hurry to upgrade to another CRT (or digital for that matter). If I wasn't happy, I would have upgraded a long time ago... Alas, the new projector that Curt's giving me for managing his web site will be here tomorrow so this one will have to come down I suppose ... 
Note: While I still find that the pics still lack some of the 'punch' and sharpness you see in person, they do indicate fairly closely what things look like person. Oddly enough the screenshots show considerable colour shifting from left to right and hotspotting in the center of the screen (see the Avia test pic below). None of this actually show up in person however. Strange. Anyone photo buffs out there know why? I'll have to play around a bit more with different lenses and settings and see if I can get these better.
Blow is a picture with the lights on to show what I'm doing, taken with a wide angle lens (18mm) (other photos were all taken from the same spot behind the second row but with a 50mm lens)
Enjoy!
Some hi-rez photos displayed at 720p from my HTPC (photos were stolen from photo.net)
NTSC DVD material (scaled to 720p)
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benareeno
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Kal,
you are a magician! I saw that projector in action many times, and the screen shots are way better than the actual pic!
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