| What is now going to be your AVS CRT forum behavior? |
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Person99
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Location: Flower Mound, TX
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:12 am Post subject: What will be your AVS posting behavior now? |
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So, with all the talk of finding some place other than AVS, I thought it might be interesting to see just what people planned to do on AVS now.
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Curt Palme
CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
Posts: 24396
Location: Langley, BC
TV/Projector: All of them!
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I'll probably be posting a bit less, but not much will change over there for me.
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Clarence
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
Posts: 3827
Location: Smith Mtn Lake, VA
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42.2% of the threads this month are from darin spreading fear over the uncertainty of HDDVD/BR.
So will it be worth $500-$900 for a player with a limited handful of crappy titles?
Even if crippled to 540p, will 720p on a $3500 dPJ be better than 540p on a CRT?
Will 1080p on a $10K dPJ be better than 540p upscaled on CRT?
Will enough content be uniquely available on HDDVD/BR?
Will that additional content be worth the cost of a dPJ + player + disc?
Will the PQ improvement from HDDVD outweigh the PQ drawbacks of dPJs?
Worst case, we end up crippled to only 540p which is more than twice as good as DVD, even before upscaling.
49.9% chance that HDDVD/BR will wait until a favored format is chosen before the resolution is crippled.
And 49.9% chance that a suitable work-around will enable legacy display devices to support legitimate players with legitimate media.
0.2% chance that darin will be the only one enjoying the new format.
Anyways, the point can't be argued because it's called "bickering" and posts get "gunned" down.
I still enjoy the other forums at AVS and there is lots of good info in the archives. But our beloved CRT forum is sadly being allowed to further erode. I think it'll take another month before we can see if the agressive disruptions at AVS are intentional or just an unfortunate series of events.
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Tom.W
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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I lost my PM ability for my post on the HD-144 to HD-8 lens adapters.All I did was put a link to the Twin post.Just didn't feel like going to the work of posting the photos . Never even heard from a mod.I will post on threads but rarely and hardly ever go there anymore....
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Person99
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Location: Flower Mound, TX
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| Clarence wrote: | | 42.2% of the threads this month are from darin spreading fear over the uncertainty of HDDVD/BR. |
Another correct Clarence observation.
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Even if crippled to 540p, will 720p on a $3500 dPJ be better than 540p on a CRT?
Will 1080p on a $10K dPJ be better than 540p upscaled on CRT? |
This is what I'm very currious about. I've witnessed some awsome scaling. For instance I, Robot scaled well is damn close to I, Robot on Dtheater. So, starting with better source material, it may be awsome.
But, if they thought the picture quality was as good, they wouldn't allow it, so we will be loosing something to get a better looking display.
| Clarence wrote: | | 49.9% chance that HDDVD/BR will wait until a favored format is chosen before the resolution is crippled. |
Possibly, but I disagree. I think it will be market penetration of HD capable displays. Currently only 20% of the U.S. has HD capable displays. The majority of those do not have HDCP inputs. Fast forward a few years, when the market penetration is closer to 40-50% and many of the current non-HDCP users (especially digital guys) have upgraded to 1080p displays which have HDCP. So then when they flip the ICT flag, they are pissing of 10% of potential users, not over 60%. I think this is when the flag will be flipped.
Dave
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Phil Smith
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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I'm not taking the changes at AVS as hard as many of you are. I don't like it, but it's not enough to make me abandon it. I'll still post on AVS when there's something that interest me. Now I just have more places to play.  A the moment, a LOT of places to play. 
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Clarence
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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Location: Smith Mtn Lake, VA
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| Person99 wrote: | | Clarence wrote: |
Even if crippled to 540p, will 720p on a $3500 dPJ be better than 540p on a CRT?
Will 1080p on a $10K dPJ be better than 540p upscaled on CRT? |
This is what I'm very curious about. I've witnessed some awesome scaling. For instance I, Robot scaled well is damn close to I, Robot on Dtheater. So, starting with better source material, it may be awesome. |
Even if crippled, 540p is equivalent to 1080i. Cliff brought a DVDO VP30 here and we fed it 1080i to get 1080p. The VP30 only does "bob" deinterlacing, which is basically doubling 540p to get 1080p. It still looked amazing. So even if we only get 540p, CRT'ers still have a lot to look forward to, despite the doomsayer.
Even if non-HDCP is "crippled" to 540p, how much would darin propose that someone spend on a HDCP dPJ in order to beat a $750-$2000 CRT?
I'm actually more frustrated at the prospect of having to re-buy dozens or hundreds of titles to play on a pricy player that will possibly be defunct in 2 years. PS3+BR at <$500 was probably the only chance of one of these formats catching on and surviving. Oh well, we still love our shelves of DTheater tapes.
I think the days of collecting disc media libraries are over, quickly being replaced by on-demand, HD DVR, and streaming.
How many CDs have you bought vs 4 years ago?
How many DVDs have you bought vs 2 years ago?
Ask anyone with Tivo if they'll ever do without it.
Try to find anyone with HD DVR today if they'd trade it for HDDVD discs.
The release of HDDVD isn't a blow to CRT, the improvements it offers over the next couple of years is still a welcomed improvement over the content formats that we've been thrilled to watch over that last several years.
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overclkr
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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| Clarence wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | Clarence wrote: |
Even if crippled to 540p, will 720p on a $3500 dPJ be better than 540p on a CRT?
Will 1080p on a $10K dPJ be better than 540p upscaled on CRT? |
This is what I'm very curious about. I've witnessed some awesome scaling. For instance I, Robot scaled well is damn close to I, Robot on Dtheater. So, starting with better source material, it may be awesome. |
Even if crippled, 540p is equivalent to 1080i. Cliff brought a DVDO VP30 here and we fed it 1080i to get 1080p. The VP30 only does "bob" deinterlacing, which is basically doubling 540p to get 1080p. It still looked amazing. So even if we only get 540p, CRT'ers still have a lot to look forward to, despite the doomsayer.
Even if non-HDCP is "crippled" to 540p, how much would darin propose that someone spend on a HDCP dPJ in order to beat a $750-$2000 CRT?
I'm actually more frustrated at the prospect of having to re-buy dozens or hundreds of titles to play on a pricy player that will possibly be defunct in 2 years. PS3+BR at <$500 was probably the only chance of one of these formats catching on and surviving. Oh well, we still love our shelves of DTheater tapes.
I think the days of collecting disc media libraries are over, quickly being replaced by on-demand, HD DVR, and streaming.
How many CDs have you bought vs 4 years ago?
How many DVDs have you bought vs 2 years ago?
Ask anyone with Tivo if they'll ever do without it.
Try to find anyone with HD DVR today if they'd trade it for HDDVD discs.
The release of HDDVD isn't a blow to CRT, the improvements it offers over the next couple of years is still a welcomed improvement over the content formats that we've been thrilled to watch over that last several years. |
100% agreed.
Cliff
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linecircle
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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I think VOD and broadcast will take over rentals as opposed to disc distribution. Disc and streaming would coexist where people buy the discs because they will have higher bandwidth and for collector's purposes but they would also stream stuff they would normally rent and watch once. The infrastructure will also take a while to implement, with possibly some regions never getting the service. In the mean time, I think they still fully expect you to continue buying discs and filling their pockets for quite some years.
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Tinman
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 1326
Location: Carson City Nevada
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Back on the original topic, I'll curtail my posts on AVS. I am actually tired of answering the same questions over and over anyway. Besides, people can read my setup guide here thanks to Curt. Whatever happened to Feathers, anyway? Couldn't have done it without his help. BTW, thank you to whomever added all the good pictures. (curt ??)
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PsychoDogBeast
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 97
Location: Huddersfield, Fenay Bridge, Earth :)
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Hi there all
Tinman is right, I'm sick of answering the same questions all the time, usually for me its "what is the best resolution of a Sony 1031", i went through all my posts over the last few days and did some harvesting from AVS and 50% of my replies are about powerstrip settings and resolution settings for a 1031. Maybe some of these posts should be incorporated into Curts setup website?
Best regards
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Mark_A_W
Joined: 15 Mar 2006
Posts: 3068
Location: Sunny Melbourne Australia
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I don't mind answering Newbie NEC questions - I was a noob once and it helps keep the load off Doug.
You guys are all too precious - play by the rules (they're not that complicated) and you'll have no problems.
The only act of Moderation that was a bit uncalled for is Tom's PMs, really.
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stefuel
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
Posts: 3353
Location: Green Harbor MA USA
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I was so pissed off at the way I was treated that I hardly post anywhere any more.
I'm pretty much over it now but I have much better things to do with my time then sit there and take an ass chewing from some power hungry gnome almost half my age for something I didn't do.
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BlackSabbath
Joined: 16 Mar 2006
Posts: 219
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AVS actually banned me permanently (and i mean zero warnings, just instant life ban and they didnt answer my emails when i asked about it either) for making a topic in the 2.35:1 section about how stupid it is for them to release so many movies in 2.35 when the only way to watch it without bars is a projector with a modified lens or perhaps a masking system. There is no 2.35:1 tv... We all know that. And i basically said that 16:9 was wide enough and 2.35 was excessive (i know they would rather show it on the huge 2.35 screens in the movie theater but you have to consider people like me that dont usually go to the movies at all, which there are becmonig more and more of).
So i was forced to come back with a different email after my ip changed (i have cable internet) so their ip ban didnt work anymore. But knowing them i wouldnt be surprised if one of the mods is reading this and is about to ban my new name which is the same here and there. Oh well if they do i'll be back anyway, i didnt do anything wrong.
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Person99
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Location: Flower Mound, TX
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BlackSabbath,
While I disagree with you on the 2.35:1 thing, please tell me there was more to this. Did you at least use foul language or anyting?
Dave
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emdawgz1
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
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I havent viewed AVS since monday, and i dont miss it a little bit.
That nazi kyser is a jerk and if thats what they want from a forum, they can have it. 
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BlackSabbath
Joined: 16 Mar 2006
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| Person99 wrote: | BlackSabbath,
While I disagree with you on the 2.35:1 thing, please tell me there was more to this. Did you at least use foul language or anyting?
Dave |
Zero foul language none at all zip, nada, thats one of the things i complained about in the emails i sent them that they did not answer. I would show you the thread to prove it but it was deleted months ago, the same day i started it, it was gone. Oh the worst wort there was "stupid" and it was not directed at a person but at the format itself. If stupid is what got me banned, then they seriously need to fire all of their mods right now.
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Kamel407
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Posts: 331
Location: Melbourne, FL
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I would spend all of my time here except the avatars are too R rated for work time. So I will continue to lurk on AVS and possibly reply. But my contributions are mainly OT related. So I'll do most of it here.
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Clarence
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
Posts: 3827
Location: Smith Mtn Lake, VA
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WanMan
Joined: 19 Mar 2006
Posts: 10270
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I quit cold turkey sometime last year. I was upset at a change to the technical side of the forum and allowed emotions to post about my intolerance. I got a handful back and took their advice and left. Permanently. Haven't been back once and don't really see the need. In fact, I hadn't been on any HT-related forum except the one local to me. My being on Curt's is making me nervous. Like a rehabilitated drug user being tempted again.
Bad, Curt, bad!
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