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ncc1701d
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: I want a gain 1.3-1.5 screen |
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In sweden where i live, it is impossible go get screens with more than 1.1 gain.
The only one available is Stewart Theatertek 130, which is insanely expensive.
I have a 1.4gain screen now (old) but want a bigger one, so i am looking for links to US company's selling
higher gain screen more than 1.3 and less than 1.8gain.
Preferrably only the screen material.
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AnalogRocks
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Do you need fabric screen or will a solid but flxable laminate do? If so check out the Wilsonart page here: https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=7967.html
It's 1.24 gain and many people including the Sony G90 guys are using this for a screen.
It's available in:
4 x 8 foot ( 122cm x 244cm )
5 x 10 foot (152cm x 304cm )
5 x 12 foot (152cm x 365cm) sizes.
It rolls for shipping in a rectangular box.
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ncc1701d
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Is wilsonart some kind of plastic-laminat ? I have no idea what it is.
Is it a material MADE for screens? Or is it for something else?
I'll see if i can find it in sweden.. Atleast i have to try it.
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garyfritz
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It's plastic laminate, made for countertops. There is one particular color (Designer White with matte finish) that is a near-perfect surface for a screen.
If you can get that specific manufacturer and color, it makes a great screen. There may be similar products available in Sweden but you'd have no way of knowing if that product matches the color & reflectivity you want for a screen. See if anybody there carries the Wilsonart brand.
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Person99
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My standing recommendation is the Wilson art Designer White. One guy I was talking with was VERY skeptical about it thinking he really needed to buy a commercial screen. After he got it and the PJ up, he commented to me, "you really steered me right on the Wilson art."
The Wilsonart is about a 1.2 gain. For a commercial screen that is similar gain, I like the DaLite CinemaVision which is a little softer than most screens, but has a nice "glow" to it (almost looks rear projected). For a 1.5 gain, I'd go with the Hurley Superglo.
Money no object, The StudioTek 130 is simply the best screen out there, but I don't think its 3% performance increase over the Wilsonart is worth 12 times the price.
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Don't forget about the Hurley screens. Mine is a 1.5 gain and I can't find anything wrong with it including the price for it, and they will custom size it for what you need at no extra charge.
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Person99
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| WTS wrote: | | Don't forget about the Hurley screens. Mine is a 1.5 gain and I can't find anything wrong with it including the price for it, and they will custom size it for what you need at no extra charge. |
Didn't you see my post above?  Hurley Superglo was what I recommended for a 1.5 gain screen.
I didn't see anything wrong with it per se other than it had a bit more color shift that StudioTek 130 and it costs 6 times as much as the Wilsonart. The wilsonart will give performance equal to the Hurley with the exception of about .26 less gain. So, the only time I would say Hurley trumps the Wilsonart is if you don't mind a smaller viewing cone to get the extra 1 or 2 foot lamberts.
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ncc1701d
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Thanks all, i have found wilsonart in sweden...
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| ncc1701d wrote: | | Thanks all, i have found wilsonart in sweden... |
Great. This is the exact model number you need: D354 60 117 Designer White.
There are two thickneses. The 117 is the thicker of the two.
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Thanks, i am visiting a hometheatre expo next weekend, and will look at some screens before i try wilsonart.
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What kind of material is base of the wilsonart board, is it MDF?
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| WTS wrote: | | What kind of material is base of the wilsonart board, is it MDF? |
You can glue it to whatever you want. As for the actualy substrate it looks like a thin plywood.
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Yes I was asking about the substrate, because depending on what it is it has a good chance of warping in short order unless you build a solid frame for it. When I first got into this hobby I used something similar but with a MDF substrate and it warped over time and I only used it for a few months.
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Well lot's of the guys have these screens. Anyone have one warp on them yet?
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MDF warped?!? Wow. You must have a super humid environment. I've never seen a warped piece of MDF. The whole point of it is to be super stable.
My frame is built out of aluminum, but I built it with a warp in it so I wouldn't feel left out. 
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No, actually our climate is fairly dry, but it doesn't take much to warp MDF/particle board if it isn't fixed/attached to something. Mind you when I say warped I'm not talking a huge hockey stick type curve. It doens't take much warpage to ruin what a screen should be -flat.
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| WTS wrote: | | No, actually our climate is fairly dry, but it doesn't take much to warp MDF/particle board if it isn't fixed/attached to something. Mind you when I say warped I'm not talking a huge hockey stick type curve. It doens't take much warpage to ruin what a screen should be -flat. |
MDF and particle board/chipboard aren't the same thing... are you sure you didn't have the latter, or maybe OSB? It really would take quite a lot to warp a piece of 3/4" or even 1/2" MDF, even a little bit, at least in my experience. (Which I readily admit is not vast.)
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Yes I know the difference between the 3 types of board. Chip board is not the same as particle board either. Well I have a 4x8' sheet of 1/2" mid grade MDF with a wilsonart type finish on it(my first screen) and its warped and that happended not long after I got it. Go to Home depot and have a look at their mid grade mdf stuff and it's likely you'll see it warped sitting their upright. I agree that the high grade mdf 3/4" board may not warp that easy.
Just to make sure my memory wasn't playing tricks on me I just went out and had a look at it and it's definately warped enough where I wouldn't use it for a screen.
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| WTS wrote: | Yes I know the difference between the 3 types of board. Chip board is not the same as particle board either. Well I have a 4x8' sheet of 1/2" mid grade MDF with a wilsonart type finish on it(my first screen) and its warped and that happended not long after I got it. Go to Home depot and have a look at their mid grade mdf stuff and it's likely you'll see it warped sitting their upright. I agree that the high grade mdf 3/4" board may not warp that easy.
Just to make sure my memory wasn't playing tricks on me I just went out and had a look at it and it's definately warped enough where I wouldn't use it for a screen. |
Okay. I wasn't trying to cast aspersions, I was just surprised. Well, apart from using 3/4, I have seen designs (here, in fact) where the MDF is mounted on a frame of 2x4. That was in order to join multiple sections, but it would definitely discourage warping. You could always seal it, too.
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| WTS wrote: | | Yes I was asking about the substrate, because depending on what it is it has a good chance of warping in short order unless you build a solid frame for it. When I first got into this hobby I used something similar but with a MDF substrate and it warped over time and I only used it for a few months. |
There are several guys doing this, including Clarence and they have not had any problems with warping, though I think most mount to a 2x4 frame or something like that.
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