Return to the CurtPalme.com main site CurtPalme.com Home Theater Forum
A forum with a sense of fun and community for Home Theater enthusiasts!
Products for Sale ] [ FAQ: Hooking it all up ] [ CRT Primer/FAQ ] [ Best/Worst CRT Projectors List ] [ Setup Tips & Manuals ] [ Advanced Procedures ] [ Newsletter ]
 
Blu-ray disc release list and must-have titles. Buy the latest and best Blu-ray titles to show off in your home theater!

 As this forum is rarely used anymore, we've locked it. Feel free to browse and read. Questions? Please reach out to us directly. Cheers! 

How to know the center of the tube in a lc projector????

 
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    CurtPalme.com Forum Index -> CRT Projectors
Author Message
voodoo7869



Joined: 19 Oct 2007
Posts: 193
Location: Chicago, IL USA

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:48 pm    Post subject: How to know the center of the tube in a lc projector????

Confused I have been reading up on this for a while I will be doing a magnetics alignment on a 9500lc from scratch. (new tube install) The question is how to find the very center of the tube with out removing the c elements I would like to get it as accurate as possible. Any help is really appreciated.

Thank you to all in advance

John

_________________
Marquee 8000 modded, Marquee 9500lc with LUGs, Frankenyokes, and Moome. My avatar is not just a black box. CRT Is KING!!!!
Back to top
CRT_Ben



Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Posts: 1684
Location: Northern Virginia

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: How to know the center of the tube in a lc projector????

voodoo7869 wrote:
Confused I have been reading up on this for a while I will be doing a magnetics alignment on a 9500lc from scratch. (new tube install) The question is how to find the very center of the tube with out removing the c elements I would like to get it as accurate as possible. Any help is really appreciated.

Thank you to all in advance

John


I don't have a good method either, but I just wanted to clear this up: Don't remove the C Elements!! They are part of the LC chamber and thus hold the glycol in place...if you were to remove it, all the glycol would spill out. Not a good idea and definately not helpful for centering the raster!! (Sorry if you already knew this and just mistyped, but better to be safe)
Back to top
Person99



Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 4899
Location: Flower Mound, TX

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:55 pm    Post subject:

I center mine based upon distance from the edge of the tube. If your geometry is correct such the both sides are parallel, then equal distance from the edge of the tube means it is centered.
_________________
Dave

A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station....
Back to top
View user's photo album (1 photos)
Ile



Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 1491
Location: Jyväskylä, Finland

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject:

Person99 wrote:
I center mine based upon distance from the edge of the tube. If your geometry is correct such the both sides are parallel, then equal distance from the edge of the tube means it is centered.
I use this method also for AC tubes, because this don't need perfect horizontal linearity to work properly.
Back to top
voodoo7869



Joined: 19 Oct 2007
Posts: 193
Location: Chicago, IL USA

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject:

ok then an educated guess it is then Thank you to all well if there is no real procedure then we need to make one.
Thanks All

_________________
Marquee 8000 modded, Marquee 9500lc with LUGs, Frankenyokes, and Moome. My avatar is not just a black box. CRT Is KING!!!!
Back to top
Mark_A_W



Joined: 15 Mar 2006
Posts: 3068
Location: Sunny Melbourne Australia

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject:

Raise the brightness till the raster just shows.

Expand the raster till it's just cut off at the lower corners, and centre the corners to your screen edges. Balance the area each side.
Back to top
stefuel



Joined: 07 Mar 2006
Posts: 3353
Location: Green Harbor MA USA

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:36 pm    Post subject:

Mark_A_W wrote:
Raise the brightness till the raster just shows.

Expand the raster till it's just cut off at the lower corners, and centre the corners to your screen edges. Balance the area each side.


What he said.
Unless it's a NEC, this isn't rocket science Laughing

_________________
Chip
A Barco is only a AmPro with training wheels

Card carrying member of the AVS chain gang.
Back to top
voodoo7869



Joined: 19 Oct 2007
Posts: 193
Location: Chicago, IL USA

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:30 pm    Post subject:

I know its not rocket science but if a procedure exsists to find perfect center than that is what i would like to do any one can estimate the center. we all have eyeballs ShockedLaughing
_________________
Marquee 8000 modded, Marquee 9500lc with LUGs, Frankenyokes, and Moome. My avatar is not just a black box. CRT Is KING!!!!
Back to top
Person99



Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 4899
Location: Flower Mound, TX

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject:

voodoo7869 wrote:
I know its not rocket science but if a procedure exsists to find perfect center than that is what i would like to do any one can estimate the center. we all have eyeballs ShockedLaughing


we told you the procedure to get the raster and the active image area centered!!!! Why do you want to know the perfect center of the tube face?

_________________
Dave

A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station....
Back to top
View user's photo album (1 photos)
voodoo7869



Joined: 19 Oct 2007
Posts: 193
Location: Chicago, IL USA

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:52 pm    Post subject:

the better the center on the tube face the better the optical alignment the lens has in relation to the raster. and the more predictable the electrical focus can be made.

I.E. as the image moves closer to the sides of the tube the lens needs to compensate more for the longer distances. Have you ever had to do corner focus on a lens and could not figure out why you could not get all the corners equally focused even with lens flapping. the lenses by design are curved to help with the distance change. so if it is uneven in any way one side will be under focused because the further away you move from the lens the more the distortion. try it you will seereally easy to test on ac projectors. move the raster to one side after focus and lens flapping and try to get it to focus in all 4 corners equally you wont one side will soften up. to confirn it is not electrical put a dot on the tube face in all 4 corners of the raster once moved and show a white screen you will see that the dots will not be equally focused based on position away from the lens

_________________
Marquee 8000 modded, Marquee 9500lc with LUGs, Frankenyokes, and Moome. My avatar is not just a black box. CRT Is KING!!!!
Back to top
Mark_A_W



Joined: 15 Mar 2006
Posts: 3068
Location: Sunny Melbourne Australia

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:08 am    Post subject:

If you use the raster edges (the image is irrelevant here) to do toe-in, you have go the tube pointing at the centre of the screen.

This was TSE's tip originally, and if it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me - it does work.
Back to top
ecrabb
Forum Moderator


Joined: 13 Mar 2006
Posts: 15909
Location: Utah

TV/Projector: JVC RS40, Epson 5010

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject:

Yeah, I don't see the quandary here. Set it up so the raster edges are equally spaced on both sides and on all three tubes, adjust toe-in until your cross is pointing at the center of the screen. Done. Problem solved.

SC
Back to top
View user's photo album (10 photos)
AFryia



Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 965
Location: S.E. Michigan VPH-G70Q

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:40 am    Post subject:

Mark_A_W wrote:
If you use the raster edges (the image is irrelevant here) to do toe-in, you have go the tube pointing at the centre of the screen.

This was TSE's tip originally, and if it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me - it does work.


Agreed.

This is the safest and most accurate method IMO. By this method you will literrally see the tube edges those very same edges you want to keep the active video from touching. And 1/2 width&height is center.
Back to top
View user's photo album (33 photos)
Tom.W



Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 6635


Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:14 am    Post subject:

Heres some good graphics ...Thanks to Moe's Realm and Guy Kuo

http://www.moesrealm.com/hometheater/crt-focus-guide.html Wink
Back to top
voodoo7869



Joined: 19 Oct 2007
Posts: 193
Location: Chicago, IL USA

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:12 am    Post subject:

great thank you the site helped out alot
_________________
Marquee 8000 modded, Marquee 9500lc with LUGs, Frankenyokes, and Moome. My avatar is not just a black box. CRT Is KING!!!!
Back to top
Gino



Joined: 22 Apr 2006
Posts: 1363
Location: Trinity Beach, AUSTRALIA

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:33 am    Post subject:

hehe, I think you are trying to make raster centering overly complex. eye balling is good enough to get you within 1-2mm of perfect centre if you ask me. I doubt that will have too much influence over your end result.
_________________
( B ) ( G ) ( R ) Blendzilla Down Under ( R ) ( G ) ( B ) - Tubes of Fury
Back to top
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    CurtPalme.com Forum Index -> CRT Projectors All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum