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CRTuser
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: Blue-Ray for M9500LC |
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I am thinking about hooking up a Blue-Ray player to my Elctrohome M 9500LC.
What are your recomendations about the HDMI/DVI to RGB input converters? It seems that are quite a few selections from the AD page of this website. What are your experiences with them, particularly the HD FURY? It seems the HD FURY is the most economical solution among them.
The player I am thinking about is either the Sony Playstation III or the Sony Blue-ray Player S300? that is selling at $299 at Bestbuy.
Thanks.
To be specific:
1. How do HD Fury and Marquee VIM-HD cards/EXT-HD compare performance-wise?
2. Any problems of using Marquee 9500LC for 1080p from Blue-ray player through HD Fury or EXT-HD? Any special tweaking needed
3. Blue-ray vs. HD-DVD
I found the following links very useful.
But more Advices needed.
https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=8102.html
https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=8159.html
yet another link with similar discussions
https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=6806.html
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Blinx123
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I can't recommend a HD-DVD enabler but what I can say is that the PS3 is certainly the best Blu-Ray player out there. Either if it comes to the best PQ/AQ you can get for this less money (althought the S3000 should be on par with it + it does support DTS HD over the PS3.) or the compatiblity. With the PS3 firmware updates in mind there is much to come. The PS3 is one of the few players you can update to a new Blu-Ray revision. It started with Rev 1.0 and now we have Rev 1.1 with the 1st online content options and Picture In Picture.
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CRTuser
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Thanks to Blinx123 for the advices on the players. It sounds like that the PS-III is a better choice over the S3000 player then.
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draganm
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| CRTuser wrote: | I am thinking about hooking up a Blue-Ray player to my Elctrohome M 9500LC.
What are your recomendations about the HDMI/DVI to RGB input converters? It seems that are quite a few selections from the AD page of this website. What are your experiences with them, particularly the HD FURY? It seems the HD FURY is the most economical solution among them. |
the Moome marquee internal HDMI input card, if your lucky he will make another batch because they sell out in just a few weeks. for an HD player, get the new toshiba HD-A35 for $312. and free shipping from Amazon. for Bluy Ray, I can't really say but I would never buy a PS3.
| Blinx123 wrote: | | I can't recommend a HD-DVD enabler but what I can say is that the PS3 is certainly the best Blu-Ray player out there. Either if it comes to the best PQ/AQ you can get for this less money (althought the S3000 should be on par with it + it does support DTS HD over the PS3.) or the compatiblity. With the PS3 firmware updates in mind there is much to come. The PS3 is one of the few players you can update to a new Blu-Ray revision. It started with Rev 1.0 and now we have Rev 1.1 with the 1st online content options and Picture In Picture. |
i finally got to experiement with a PS3 at a friends house last night and it was huge dissapointment. first thing was the interface, it was very much a game-machine feel to it and even the normal display, resolution, and aspect ratio settings were dumbed down and hard to understand because they didn't use normal Video terminology.
the other part was pic quality, it looked very soft. I asked him and he said it had never been updated so i'm hoping that's all it is?
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CRTuser
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| draganm wrote: | | the Moome marquee internal HDMI input card, if your lucky he will make another batch because they sell out in just a few weeks. for an HD player, get the new toshiba HD-A35 for $312. and free shipping from Amazon. for Bluy Ray, I can't really say but I would never buy a PS3. |
From the Ads page it seems that the Moome marquee internal HDMI input card is discontinued, and the EXT-HD is recommended in its place. Anybody has experience with that?
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AntC
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| draganm wrote: | | the other part was pic quality, it looked very soft. I asked him and he said it had never been updated so i'm hoping that's all it is? |
I haven't noticed any softness with mine compared to my Toshiba HD-DVD player. It's up to date on firmware though and I didn't watch anything on it prior to updating it so I can't really comment on whether it was worse with lower firmware.
For me it's worked very well as a player and is light years better than the first gen Toshiba even counting using the game controller to control it. That's probably more of a commentary on Toshibas pathetic first effort at an HD player though. I haven't tried any of the newer ones but I hope they're a helluva lot better than the HD-A1.
Ant
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draganm
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| CRTuser wrote: | | From the Ads page it seems that the Moome marquee internal HDMI input card is discontinued, and the EXT-HD is recommended in its place. Anybody has experience with that? |
check Moome's forum, Kal has stated another batch of 30 cards will be built in January/February for both Sony and Marquee.  I don't have experience with external box, but some reports are indicating a few glithces?
| AntC wrote: | | That's probably more of a commentary on Toshibas pathetic first effort at an HD player though. I haven't tried any of the newer ones but I hope they're a helluva lot better than the HD-A1. Ant |
that's interesting. I have the A2, and along with the Moome HDMI internal card, it's the best thing to happen to my Video side of things since I built my theatre, and that's saying a lot. Yes, the player takes 3 seconds to boot up and another 2 seconds to load but compared to my HTPC it is so superior in every way it's not even worth comparing.
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AntC
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| draganm wrote: | | that's interesting. I have the A2, and along with the Moome HDMI internal card, it's the best thing to happen to my Video side of things since I built my theatre, and that's saying a lot. Yes, the player takes 3 seconds to boot up and another 2 seconds to load but compared to my HTPC it is so superior in every way it's not even worth comparing. |
Don't get me wrong, it puts out a great picture and sound otherwise I would have binned it long ago. The HD-A1 is, without a doubt, the worst transport I've ever owned though in terms of general operation. It's incredibly slow in that it takes over a minute from power on to opening the disc tray then at least another 30 secs to read the disc, it doesn't recognize discs at times, periodically it allows audio and video to get out of sync and it drops the video output signal numerous times between inserting and playing a disc. It sounds like the A2 is better from your description so that's promising at least.
I used the A1 with one of Moome's external convertors for a while though and its definitely a nice setup. The only thing that bothered me with that config was the signal drops from the A1. From the PS3 you're likely to have quite a few resolution changes unless you force everything to output to one resolution as things like the trailers/FBI warnings/etc. can be in a different resolution than the movie.
The one thing I'm not thrilled with on the PS3 is that the went with bluetooth for the remote which makes it harder to use a universal remote with. Thankfully with the USB support there are even ways to make that work it just requires a little extra effort (a usb adaptor and the PS2 remote kit basically). With a regular remote its fairly transparent, you have to navigate the interface at startup but after that any new movies that are inserted will automatically start and its operation is very fast. The PS3 also only allows for optical and HDMI for digital audio out so if you have other sources and higher end preamp/receiver components that are more coax oriented it may require some planning (or even an adaptor) to make work.
Ant
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garyfritz
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| draganm wrote: | | Yes, the player takes 3 seconds to boot up and another 2 seconds to load but compared to my HTPC it is so superior in every way it's not even worth comparing. |
Really !? Mine sits on "WELCOME" for 35 seconds, and it takes 20 seconds to load up an HD-DVD! I'm still running the original firmware. Have you updated?
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draganm
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| garyfritz wrote: | | I'm still running the original firmware. Have you updated? |
hell yeah, that was the first thing I did. Without the update I saw a lot of background noise/compression artifacts. Also, up-scaling of standard DVD's was really lousy .
Too bad you forgot to mention it when you came for those G70 boards, I could have given you the disc when you were here. You can burn your own off their web-site though, just make sure you burn it to a new disc and as an ISO image file, otherwise the player won't read it.
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draganm
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| AntC wrote: | | The HD-A1 is, without a doubt, the worst transport I've ever owned though in terms of general operation. It's incredibly slow in that it takes over a minute from power on to opening the disc tray then at least another 30 secs to read the disc, it doesn't recognize discs at times, periodically it allows audio and video to get out of sync and it drops the video output signal numerous times between inserting and playing a disc. It sounds like the A2 is better from your description so that's promising at least. |
wow, I have never seen any of those things with the A2, which goes to prove that you should never buy the first model of anything.  If you haven't already done so, the firmware updates on these players are a MUST.
| AntC wrote: | | From the PS3 you're likely to have quite a few resolution changes unless you force everything to output to one resolution as things like the trailers/FBI warnings/etc. can be in a different resolution than the movie.Ant |
well for the first 30 minutes we couldn't even get a pic out if it. Menu's were fine and games dispalyed fine but movies were all garbled. Thanks to the countless hours of time I waste on the forum, I finally realized we needed to disable 1080P24 because the marquee wouldnt synch to that. After that we tried both 720 and 1080, not worrying about the FBI warnings as such because they are low rez. 1080 looked a little better but Both resolutions looked really soft, on par with my A2 showing an up-scaled DVD.  I told my friend that he needed to up-date the dam thing and then we could go from there.
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garyfritz
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| draganm wrote: | | Too bad you forgot to mention it when you came for those G70 boards, I could have given you the disc when you were here. You can burn your own off their web-site though, |
Oh I did, weeks ago. Just haven't had enough time to spend 30 minutes in the HT to actually do the update.  Hasn't really been a problem, though, since I've only been able to watch one movie on the damn thing...
Don't forget, the firmware upgrade you did doesn't apply to the A1, so it wouldn't help AntC any.
There must have been something wrong with that PS3 or your setup of it. I'm sure Kal wouldn't be such a big fan of the PS3 as a BD player if it was as crappo as you described.
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draganm
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| garyfritz wrote: | | There must have been something wrong with that PS3 or your setup of it. I'm sure Kal wouldn't be such a big fan of the PS3 as a BD player if it was as crappo as you described. |
my set-up of it?  There's really not that much to set-up, it's just a f*ck*** game machine. You enable or disable certain resolutions just like the HD players. Only difference here was that 1080/24, which was buried in another menu somewhere, had to dis-abeled in order for the marquee to synch on movie content which contained 1080/24. I looked everywhere and there was no other buttons to make the picture "better".
Overall it was a little piece of crap. If your not a gamer, then there's absolutely no reason to buy one of these. Overall, I would put the design, user interface, and versatility of this thing right up there with my other favorite piece of Sony equipment, the G70.
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garyfritz
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Oooh, that's a low blow. 
I dunno, I haven't seen it. All I know is everybody else who uses the PS3 seems tickled pink with it. It's always possible you're right and all of them are blind and deaf, but somehow that doesn't seem like the most likely explanation.
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cmjohnson
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The PS3 isn't as good a player.
I have a Sony BDP-S300 and I like it, a lot. I use a Moome DVI input card and appropriate cables and adapters to get HDMI into the 9500.
CJ
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AntC
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| draganm wrote: | | wow, I have never seen any of those things with the A2, which goes to prove that you should never buy the first model of anything. If you haven't already done so, the firmware updates on these players are a MUST. |
I haven't gotten around to 2.4 (about a month and a half old) since I loaned the POS out to a friend for a while but other than that I've been fairly up to date all along. Sadly I don't think any update is going to turn the A1 into a well-behaved component.
| AntC wrote: | | 1080 looked a little better but Both resolutions looked really soft, on par with my A2 showing an up-scaled DVD. I told my friend that he needed to up-date the dam thing and then we could go from there. |
Interesting. I'm using mine with the component out and I've seen bkobus' setup with HDMI->DVI and haven't noticed any softness to the picture on either one so hopefully its just the firmware updates, or something that can get fixed via firmware, and not something specific to the player or a particular model of it (though bkobus and I have two different models as well).
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Brian Hampton
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Hey,
Just as a data point.
I use a PS3 to a HDFury to a G70.
And,.. I'm lovin it.
The HDFury does just what it should and has performed flawlessly. It's not expensive and can be used with any CRT FP and lots of other displays too (like computer monitors or older non HDCP compliant RPTVs and stuff.)
In terms of your inquiry about Blu Ray vs. HD DVD,.. I won't much get into that apart from to mention a few facts like Disney, Fox, Sony, MGM and LionsGate are only on Blu, and 50GB>30GB, and higher bandwidth is a good thing as well, Scratch Protection on Blu Rays seems to work really well on my Netflixers, and Blu Ray software outsold HD DVD for the complete year of 2007 (Each and Every Week) and the last 2 weeks of 2006 and there's 2.7 million Blu Ray players in homes vs about 750,000 HD DVD players.
HD DVD is cheaper, for many reasons 
If you do get HD DVD try to find one that lets you output 1080p, because many models don't, and you'll want that for the 9500.
-Brian
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CRTuser
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Thanks a lot for all your advices!
I decided to play it safe, and ordered a Marquee VIM-HD card today. I did some reading on this forum about the HDFury and saw some negative feedbacks.I hope one day I could try out the HDFury and make some comparisons myself.
What would be your guy's guess on the delivery time? The Ads says it will be available in Febuary.
How about installations? Is it straightforward plug-n-play?
How about HD-DVD vs Blu-ray? I read somewhere that for the time being they use different compression methodologies. Some people claim that they have done side-by-side comparisons of picture qualities of the same movie in two format, and concluded that HD-DVD produced better pictures.
Anybody here have that kind of experiences?
For the time being, I am leaning toward Blu-ray, simply because the availibilities of movies offered by the local Blockbuster stores. But again, if the picture quality difference is quite obvious, I would get a HD-dvd player, and go with Netflex.
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Blinx123
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That compression topic is a thing of the past. The 1st Blu-Ray movies were released with a MPEG2 codec (should be less lossy but also takes more space) whereas HD-DVD movies featured VC1/MPEG4 transfers from the very beginning.
In theorie Blu-Ray movies with MPEG2 should've looked better because of the lower compression but in praxis it showed the opposite.
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draganm
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| CRTuser wrote: | What would be your guy's guess on the delivery time? The Ads says it will be available in Febuary.
How about installations? Is it straightforward plug-n-play? |
Wel lthe first batch of cards took like 9 months, but the second batch only a month or 2. I imagine late Feb is about right since this is a proven product that is being mass-produced , sort of. Once you get it, it plugs right in, just make sure the PJ is not powered up when you do it.
| CRTuser wrote: | | How about HD-DVD vs Blu-ray? I read somewhere that for the time being they use different compression methodologies. Some people claim that they have done side-by-side comparisons of picture qualities of the same movie in two format, and concluded that HD-DVD produced better pictures. Anybody here have that kind of experiences? For the time being, I am leaning toward Blu-ray, simply because the availibilities of movies offered by the local Blockbuster stores. But again, if the picture quality difference is quite obvious, I would get a HD-dvd player, and go with Netflex. |
can't really say, only seen a couple of HD players and they were both great, only seen 1 sony PS 3 and it was a real POS. It doesn't really matter which is better because if you want to se all the HD movies you need both. I say get an A-35 and a Samsung BD and plug them both into an external HDMI switcher. I will eventually add a BD player to my system even though plugging a Sony product into my syetm might cause me to break out in hives.
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