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ElTopo
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 8:21 am Post subject: CRT in combination with digital |
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What digital projector would you buy right now ?
CRT for Movies only
Digital projector for TV/Sports but also for Movies
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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I also like the R4910/X500, but if you read up on those, you will find that many choose to turn DI off! Some just don't think it adds all that much so they rather turn it off. To me at least that is something to think about. Now, if I turn out to be one of those people, I could just as easily have bought a used RS56 with a higher native contrast for the same money as a new X500(?). In the event that RS56 is still to pricey, even used, there's always a model before that one. Anyway, that fact certainly made me think twice about witch digital to go with, if I ever went down that road that is.
Just for kicks, I'm looking on ebay for used JVC:s with higher native contrast than that of X500 to see if I could get by cheaper that way. But somewhere along the way, I believe for the 2014 models, the pixels got closer together by 40% so that should be taken into account also. How much that impacts the image I wouldn't have a clue.
So: Used older model with higher native contrast - or a X500 with lower native but higher overall with DI on it?
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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Screen width in the future = 3,3m in width.
Right now i have a screen with 2,35m in width.
Both screens in cinemascope format.
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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You have a Radiance right? Are you planning to use the Radiance with the digital (can you). With a Radiance, the Epson projectors are cheap and with the 125-point CMS come out pretty good (for TV watching).
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What is your budget? If you want to watch mostly sports, then you might want to look at DLP as well.
| thewolfman wrote: | I also like the R4910/X500, but if you read up on those, you will find that many choose to turn DI off! Some just don't think it adds all that much so they rather turn it off. To me at least that is something to think about. Now, if I turn out to be one of those people, I could just as easily have bought a used RS56 with a higher native contrast for the same money as a new X500(?). In the event that RS56 is still to pricey, even used, there's always a model before that one. Anyway, that fact certainly made me think twice about witch digital to go with, if I ever went down that road that is.
Just for kicks, I'm looking on ebay for used JVC:s with higher native contrast than that of X500 to see if I could get by cheaper that way. But somewhere along the way, I believe for the 2014 models, the pixels got closer together by 40% so that should be taken into account also. How much that impacts the image I wouldn't have a clue.
So: Used older model with higher native contrast - or a X500 with lower native but higher overall with DI on it? |
I haven't heard that about the 4910, but I don't follow it closely. One thing I would do is review the reviewer or in this case the poster. The people turning it off might care less about on/off cr than say most here on the CRT forum.
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thewolfman
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | What is your budget? If you want to watch mostly sports, then you might want to look at DLP as well.
| thewolfman wrote: | I also like the R4910/X500, but if you read up on those, you will find that many choose to turn DI off! Some just don't think it adds all that much so they rather turn it off. To me at least that is something to think about. Now, if I turn out to be one of those people, I could just as easily have bought a used RS56 with a higher native contrast for the same money as a new X500(?). In the event that RS56 is still to pricey, even used, there's always a model before that one. Anyway, that fact certainly made me think twice about witch digital to go with, if I ever went down that road that is.
Just for kicks, I'm looking on ebay for used JVC:s with higher native contrast than that of X500 to see if I could get by cheaper that way. But somewhere along the way, I believe for the 2014 models, the pixels got closer together by 40% so that should be taken into account also. How much that impacts the image I wouldn't have a clue.
So: Used older model with higher native contrast - or a X500 with lower native but higher overall with DI on it? |
I haven't heard that about the 4910, but I don't follow it closely. One thing I would do is review the reviewer or in this case the poster. The people turning it off might care less about on/off cr than say most here on the CRT forum. |
You are right, and I'll pay more attention to whomever says that in the future. And as I gave it some more thought, there is more to it then just contrast, so X500 is still on my Christmas list. The 3D experience must have become just a little bit better with each generation and that means a great deal for me as well.
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| thewolfman wrote: | | But somewhere along the way, I believe for the 2014 models, the pixels got closer together by 40% so that should be taken into account also. How much that impacts the image I wouldn't have a clue. |
Really? I don't remember reading or hearing about that. The fill factor on LCoS is already so high that it's a non-issue (IMHO). It's always been at 90%+. I don't think it would make any visible difference increasing it by 40%, and that sounds like a huge jump when it's already so high - I'd expect enhanced fill rates to only jump very slowly as they approach 100%.
Then throw in the fact that many of the newer models have e-shift built in, and I don't think it really matters at all - you simply do not see pixels on these things with your nose up against the screen.
The higher the fill rate, the more light output you have of course (since less light is blocked), but again, with LCoS fill factor already being over 90%, the increased light output but going up a few percentage points isn't going to make a huge difference.
My 2 cents.
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| kal wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | But somewhere along the way, I believe for the 2014 models, the pixels got closer together by 40% so that should be taken into account also. How much that impacts the image I wouldn't have a clue. |
Really? I don't remember reading or hearing about that. The fill factor on LCoS is already so high that it's a non-issue (IMHO). It's always been at 90%+. I don't think it would make any visible difference increasing it by 40%, and that sounds like a huge jump when they already so high.
Then throw in the fact that many of the newer models have e-shift built in, and it really doesn't matter at all - you simply do not see pixels on these things with your nose up against the screen.
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http://www.avforums.com/threads/jvc-x500-jvc-x700-projector-plus-jvc-x900-owners-thread.1842248/page-12
"On the subject of e-Shift, we felt that this year’s implementation did not add as much improvement to the original image compared with last year’s. We postulate that it’s because the 2014 models feature a superior imaging system composed of a sixth-generation (6G) D-ILA panel which is capable of a smoother picture thanks to a 40% shrinkage in pixel gap from 0.5µm to 0.3µm, and a third-generation (3G) wire grid polariser that allows for a more efficient optical pathway. Together, these upgrades elevated the JVC X500R’s native image quality to another level, rendering the onboard e-Shift3 system almost superfluous."
I think it looks better and better this one, and I really want to book a flight to Stockholm to see it with my own eyes.
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Anyone tested the 4K Sony 600ES ?
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Why DLP ?
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DLPs tend to be brighter than the other technologies and can typically handle fast moving images better so they don't "ghost" like the other techs tend to do.
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| Phoenixed wrote: | | DLPs tend to be brighter than the other technologies and can typically handle fast moving images better so they don't "ghost" like the other techs tend to do. |
Make sure you aren't sensitive to the rainbow effect on DLP. I could still see it on CLiff's with the 5x color wheel.
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Phoenixed wrote: | | DLPs tend to be brighter than the other technologies and can typically handle fast moving images better so they don't "ghost" like the other techs tend to do. |
Make sure you aren't sensitive to the rainbow effect on DLP. I could still see it on CLiff's with the 5x color wheel. |
Some of the newer ones offer selectable wheel speeds. The only true way to avoid them with DLP is to get yourself a 3 chipper but be prepared to spend big bucks.
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Both on the ceiling or the CRT on the floor ?
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Up to you. CRT on the floor means you lose the best seat in the house. OTOH, hanging a CRT projector is a giant pain in the ass, and it's certainly nice if something goes wrong to be able move a chair or two and get to work. Even setup is easier.
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Unless it is temporary, put them on the ceiling. There is a guy on AVS who had a G90 with a DLP both on the ceiling. Cliff has his stack on the ceiling and the Benq mounted on the wall right below it.
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