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[Spanky Ham]

I was reading Thomas Norton's Post Cedia thoughts and came across this quote, which I thought was hilarious.

[gnnash]

Hey now, that sounds like exactly what I plan to do tonight!

I guess I'm a luddite.

[ecrabb]

You guys can take exception all you you want. He's absolutely right.

There's no question that high-end CRT projectors are still displaying excellent images; he's not saying they aren't. He's talking about stellar image quality 20 years ago, and how much it cost, and how it was all crap compared it what we have today. The large point he's making is that what we have access to today, and for the prices we have access to it is truly astounding.

For example, you can take an entry-level JVC out of the box, hang it on the ceiling, plug in a $100 Blu-ray player, and have a far, far superior display in every way (OK, save for one) than anything anybody had at ANY price in the nineties! That's mind-blowing.

Seriously, in 1995, you could have spent north of $50k on a high-end projector and scaler, and today's entry-level JVC with a Blu-ray source would SMOKE it. That's awesome, because high-end home theater is affordable by an order of magnitude more people now, and that's what he's getting at.

Of course you can take a $2,000-5,000 surplus or used 9-inch EM/LC CRT projector and get great images out of it - nobody is disputing that. But, that idea simply has no relevance in any mainstream publication any longer.

SC

[AnalogRocks]

Wow I find myself agreeing with SC. I simply must get out of this alternate reality.

I did some work on a guys Barco 808s that was replacing his older Barco 800 ( I think it was ) and he mentioned that to build his theater back in 1996 with a Faroudja line doubler Pioneer Elite DVD, the projector, proogic receiver, Beta and VHS and the rest of the room was around $250 000

[AnalogRocks]

Wow I find myself agreeing with SC. I simply must get out of this alternate reality.

I did some work on a guys Barco 808s that was replacing his older Barco 800 ( I think it was ) and he mentioned that to build his theater back in 1996 with a Faroudja line doubler Pioneer Elite DVD, the projector, proogic receiver, Beta and VHS and the rest of the room was around $250 000

[Nashou66]

They can say what they want but his statements are a little bit misleading. Back in the 90's there was no HDTV nor 1080p, but if there were those old nostalgic CRT's would light a those 7 foot screens with ease and more. Sure the money outlay was high but look at the onset of Digital!! The same high outlay for those who wanted to jump in for a much lesser resolution than CRT could do. So if you deg deep you'll see the misleading he attempted to pull off. So if you fast forward to now and keep CRT technologies the same and the new giditals CRT is much cheaper now to get a 1080p HDTV image to a 10 foot screen than digital. Is it better image wise? that is another debate but his statements are a bit misleading and Crabb fell for it, come one Steve that is what liberals try to use that rouse all the time I am surprised at you my friend

Athanasios

[thewolfman]

A long shot.. but would like to see it all the same. If Kurt would do a A/B comparison with his JVC and Marquee Ultra and put it on Youtube at 1080p resolution. Kudos if he did that..

[ecrabb]

[Nashou66]

LOL, I knew it wouldn't take long Stevo!


I do not even want to debate you because you bitch slap every one you do debate with. I succeed .


Nashou!!!!!

[ecrabb]

Oh, so you were trolling, I fell for it, but I bitch-slapped you? I'll take that.

I edited my post a little bit... I threw a little something in there just for you. Second to last paragraph.

SC

[jbmeyer13]

It doesn't matter whether it be CRT or digital; everything during the 1990's was insanely expensive by comparison. The rebadged CRT re-sellers (mainly Vidikron and Runco) really brought high end home theater to fruition around the mid 1990's and the first DLP's arrived at the same approximate time (1996). With either technology, the high end was well north of $50K (projector and processor combo). Regardless of analog or digital projectors, the price has come way down and the quality way up.

In fact, forget about the 90's and just look at the past 6-years. With the advent of HD sources the prices have dropped drastically for all projection technologies and the overall improvement in image quality has been astounding.

[thewolfman]

JB and I have worked it out. My mistake.. It's all good. Sweden 8 hours + .. That's all it was.

Do the math boys! Come on now.

[stridsvognen]

[thewolfman]

[CasetheCorvetteman]

Everything in electronics is cheaper now ( look at what computers cost in 1990 compared to now ), its not just improvements in technologies, its also got abit to do with the bar being lowered quite abit in terms of what is considered acceptable reliability. In 1980 buying a 26" CRT would mean you wouldnt need to buy a replacement for 15 years or more, buying a 50" TV today means youll be back for another one within 2-3 years, if youre lucky. Is the image better? Ofcourse it is. But its also 20 plus years later.

How does the image from 1970 compare to 1990? Bit of a step up too...

[Spanky Ham]

LOL, I knew this would be fun.

Thomas did mention sources. I think if he were asked he would probably say that BR and OTA HD have been the biggest reason we have such excellent image quality these days.

Since I am guessing that no one read the whole article, I am going to quote from the next paragraph

[HogPilot]

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/tweaks-machina-dynamica-dark-matter-optical-coating-spray-bottle-for-cd-label-2013-10-18-accessories-22042

I know it says it's only for CDs, but you should be able to get CRT-like absolute blacks with any digital if you just spray this on the lens. $50/bottle? At that low price I'll take a baker's dozen!

[stridsvognen]

[thewolfman]

[stridsvognen]

Im quite far from Copenhagen, I live near Aarhus.

So what your saying its some kind of reflective black screen.?

Just make him post some documentation how a reference projector performs on a normal white ISF screen, VS this nev screen. Calibration measurements and so on.. That should show if its worth take a closer look at.

[thewolfman]