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RobertR
Joined: 18 Aug 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:05 am Post subject: Being a CRTer feels lonely |
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I had some fellow HT enthusiasts over, and they all wondered why I don't get a digital PJ. Sigh...
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Nashou66
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RobertR
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Usually when friends see my CRT they wonder why no one else has one. 
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Yes, but are they HT people with digital PJs? 
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MikeEby
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Usually when friends see my CRT CRTs they wonder why no one else has one two.
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Fixed!!
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overclkr
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I'm kinda lonely right now. Where are the hotties when you need them?
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| MikeEby wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | Usually when friends see my CRT CRTs they wonder why no one else has one two. 10 or more!
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Fixed!!
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Fixed x 2
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draganm
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| RobertR wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | Usually when friends see my CRT they wonder why no one else has one.
Nashou |
Yes, but are they HT people with digital PJs? |
Rob we need more info, what PJ do you have? What digital projectors are your friends running, and why do they think you need to go digital?
What comes ot mind is an older ES focusing set like a Sony 12XX (soft, blurry, dim) in your theater and your friends are accustomed to eye-ball searing DLP's with "sharp" Pixel structure?
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fuchs
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Most people don't really seem to see that picture quality is not only about sharpness or brightness.
One of my friends has been watching a large LCD TV with very obvious "spots" (brightness issues) for years. Only when his brother said there were spots, he noticed. Now he's unhappy with the TV because it has spots I never told the guy his TV has spots because I knew this would happen. It illustrates that most people are not critical to -whatever- setup they are watching.
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RobertR
Joined: 18 Aug 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| draganm wrote: | | RobertR wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | Usually when friends see my CRT they wonder why no one else has one.
Nashou |
Yes, but are they HT people with digital PJs? |
Rob we need more info, what PJ do you have? What digital projectors are your friends running, and why do they think you need to go digital?
What comes ot mind is an older ES focusing set like a Sony 12XX (soft, blurry, dim) in your theater and your friends are accustomed to eye-ball searing DLP's with "sharp" Pixel structure? |
I have a NEC XG135LC. It was expertly set up by John Gannon and Doug Baisey. I don't know what projectors all my friends are running, but one of them is running a JVC RS25 (he says he'll bring it over to my place to see the difference). I guess they think CRT is too soft, too big, too heavy, too inflexible with regards to placement.
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draganm
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| RobertR wrote: | | I have a NEC XG135LC. It was expertly set up by John Gannon and Doug Baisey. I don't know what projectors all my friends are running, but one of them is running a JVC RS25 (he says he'll bring it over to my place to see the difference). I guess they think CRT is too soft, too big, too heavy, too inflexible with regards to placement. |
if your running a calibrated 135LC and feeding it blue ray through a moome card, and your friends think there is anything wrong with the picture, then that is just an ignorant opinion.
The RS25 is a good PJ but to say it's "better" vs. just different shows a lack of understanding. The RS25 is no slouch and it will be brighter and sharper but it's not perfect by any means and suffers from some of the same problems as any LCD. Once you start seeing the high speed motion stttutttteeerrr and lack of full fade to Black it is just another display device that was quickly replaced by something "better" , and still imperfect, the following year.
You should be able to quickly point out to your friend that is he prefers his projectors flaws over your projectors flaws then there's nothing wrong with that
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Phoenixed
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:22 am Post subject: |
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A PJ setup by two calibrators. I wish your friend best of luck in this challenge. Cause he will need it.
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RobertR
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| draganm wrote: | | RobertR wrote: | | I have a NEC XG135LC. It was expertly set up by John Gannon and Doug Baisey. I don't know what projectors all my friends are running, but one of them is running a JVC RS25 (he says he'll bring it over to my place to see the difference). I guess they think CRT is too soft, too big, too heavy, too inflexible with regards to placement. |
if your running a calibrated 135LC and feeding it blue ray through a moome card, and your friends think there is anything wrong with the picture, then that is just an ignorant opinion.
The RS25 is a good PJ but to say it's "better" vs. just different shows a lack of understanding. The RS25 is no slouch and it will be brighter and sharper but it's not perfect by any means and suffers from some of the same problems as any LCD. Once you start seeing the high speed motion stttutttteeerrr and lack of full fade to Black it is just another display device that was quickly replaced by something "better" , and still imperfect, the following year.
You should be able to quickly point out to your friend that is he prefers his projectors flaws over your projectors flaws then there's nothing wrong with that |
Hehehe thanks for the thoughts. I have no problem with my friends running digital PJs, I just prefer what I have right now (yes, I use a Moome card).
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RobertR
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Well, it happened again on Saturday. Went to a HT get together to watch Skyfall on a friend's JVC projector. After the movie, he asked, "so Robert, ready to go digital now?" I replied I'd do it when my projector dies...which won't be for a while.... a LONG while. After I got home, I popped in the Dr. Zhivago Blu Ray, and watched the scene after the intermission when the train is going through the tunnel. With proper gamma adjustment, NOTHING can be seen on the screen or the rest of the room. Can any digital do that?
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draganm
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| RobertR wrote: | | Well, it happened again on Saturday. Went to a HT get together to watch Skyfall on a friend's JVC projector. After the movie, he asked, "so Robert, ready to go digital now?" |
Wait till his bulb dies and ask him how it's working then
| RobertR wrote: | | I replied I'd do it when my projector dies...which won't be for a while.... a LONG while. After I got home, I popped in the Dr. Zhivago Blu Ray, and watched the scene after the intermission when the train is going through the tunnel. With proper gamma adjustment, NOTHING can be on the screen or the rest of the room. Can any digital do that? |
no, they can't go FFTB, not at any price point AFAIK.
IMO, the only thing that the JVC is really superior at is noise, those little boxes are whisper quiet. So even with a hush box I think the CRT is noisier. Picture quality wise, it's really a toss-up
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tanwn
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:27 am Post subject: |
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If I were to combine all the factors of a movie experience, colour, night scene, fade to black, comfort, resolution etc etc, a well calibrated 9" CRT with moome gamma card will get my highest score and vote, that's my opinion and i believe all dedicated CRTers whom have not switched over will think so. If budget permits you can always have a CRT and a Digital together and live happily together. Once you have both, you will appreciate what a CRT does that a digital can't.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| draganm wrote: | | RobertR wrote: | | I replied I'd do it when my projector dies...which won't be for a while.... a LONG while. After I got home, I popped in the Dr. Zhivago Blu Ray, and watched the scene after the intermission when the train is going through the tunnel. With proper gamma adjustment, NOTHING can be on the screen or the rest of the room. Can any digital do that? |
no, they can't go FFTB, not at any price point AFAIK.
IMO, the only thing that the JVC is really superior at is noise, those little boxes are whisper quiet. So even with a hush box I think the CRT is noisier. Picture quality wise, it's really a toss-up |
IMO, I'd say the only two things the CRT is superior at are on/off contrast (or more specifically absolute black level), and "film-like" or "analog-like" picture. Everything else - brightness, ANSI contrast, MTF/sharpness, and of course size, setup, weight, and the biggie, fan noise - are better on the JVC. If it's a JVC with e-Shift, then even the "film-like" image is pretty close.
My RS45 isn't exactly high-end, and with the lamp in 'low' and the aperture mostly closed, this machine does about 45k:1 on/off. That's not CRT, but it's damn good. I only miss the blacks a little during scenes like the beginning of Cars, but I love the size and lack of noise all the time.
A 9" LC machine is excellent, but it has its drawbacks. A JVC and some other higher-end digitals are excellent, but also have their own drawbacks. You want absolute-black and film-like picture with huge, noisy, audio-wrecking machine, or do you want super-quiet with great brightness and sharpness, but with less-than-perfect FFTB. Pick your poison.
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Zolzar
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We all have our reasons for the things we pick and choose in life that we enjoy. i see no reason for anybody to have to explain or justify a hobby. CRT prpjection is one of those hobbies I enjoy. My favorite part of being a CRT'er is when my wife commented about how our CRT projectors (Marquee 8500 & PG10) both throw a better picture than our local AMC theater. I was out for a while with a digital but honestly wasn't happy.....especially after the first bulb went!
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kabuby77
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| ecrabb wrote: | | ... If it's a JVC with e-Shift, then even the "film-like" image is pretty close. |
+1 it's like an analog image, 0 pixels, good black.
If someone has to pass from CRT to digital, it's the best choice.
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Tinman
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I gave up my PG10 for a digital. Do I regret it? No, not really. My Epson 8700UB is black enough for me. Not perfect, but I don't mind. I have noticed that I actually just turn on the system and watch it, rather than throw up convergence patterns, etc.
In the end, I needed total SEAMLESS computer compatibility, and sadly the PG10 was a challenge in this regard. For the small amount of black I lost, I gained total functionality and seamless resolution switching.
Oh yeah.... the Epson is so quiet.... despite the fan mods, the big Runco (pg10) was just rubbing me the wrong way. I loved it for a long time, though. It has a new home now. Will it outlive my digital? Probably......
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