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vincentm66
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:16 pm Post subject: Best settings for Lumagen mini 3d with JVC R50 / X7 |
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Hi all,
I just bought a Lumagen mini3d, my source is an oppo93 and my projector is a JVC X7 / R50.
I’m checking the documentation of the lumagen and there are lots of options there!
I’m wondering if someone does have best practices on how to set this up: my goal is to get more “fluid” movement and to get better black resolution as sometimes the black are just black with the JVC.
Im trying now to avoid any signal modification within the oppo93 as I think the Lumagen is much powerful, and provides advanced control on picture quality.
Any help / experienced on things to do & not to do with Lumagen mini is welcome 
Cheers
Vincent
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stridsvognen
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I recently bought the Radiance XS+ and have a X7.I have not yet found the lumagen as a positive experience in that chain. It seems to me its not neutral even all settings is 0 and straight true. But be sure to set both input and output to REC 709 or it messes up your RGB.
And leave your deep color off and color space 422 on your oppo, and try 422 or RGB out of lumagen, i think i prefer 422 from lumagen, and im sure RGB is better when im using DVDO VP50
I have to admit i have not experimented to much with lumagen and JVC, its mostly been with my CRT, and its a powerful thing that Lumagen, its easy to get lost in all those settings.
I did my calibration on the JVC, and tried with the lumagen and it got messy, i lost all my light output, and gave up.
Depending what type of bulb you have in your X7 you will have different color saturation to the primary colors, the old bulb i preferred not touching the CMS, with the new i have adjusted some, but its very difficult to adjust with the CMS on X7, the adjustments is fighting each other.
If you have some specific problems questions, ill be happy to try and help, and test some with my setup, but i think you just need to do your own experience, and find out how everything is connected, there is no easy way.. Sorry..
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vincentm66
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
Thanks for your feedback, that confirm my first impression. I wanted to increase video quality but it may not be the best option for it at least on my setup.
Ill have to upgrade the projector...
Cheers
Vincent
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| vincentm66 wrote: | Hi,
Thanks for your feedback, that confirm my first impression. I wanted to increase video quality but it may not be the best option for it at least on my setup.
Ill have to upgrade the projector...
Cheers
Vincent |
How is your X7 calibrated.? It can make a damn nice picture if u get it right. But it need to be set up and calibrated right.?
What projector you imagine will make a better video quality, and where is your main focus.?
If possible put up some pics or HCFR files of your calibration.
I can only think of a good 9" CRT making much difference.
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AVphile
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I can recommend CalMan software with Autocal from SpectraCal for the Radiance. After many long nights of calibrating my PJ manually I had reached its limits of adjustment but was still left with a radical greyscale and gamma curve. I was ready for an external VP to take care of the remaining issues. 7 minutes after connecting the software to the Radiance and setting up my probe on the screen, the software had completed an 11-point greyscale and gamma correction. 15 minutes and I had a 21-point done. Another few minutes and the gamut (primaries and secondaries) with 125 levels was done!
Yes the Radiance is a powerful tool but without the right software you are barely scratching the surface and will probably never be able to accomplish this manually. Now I just sit back and enjoy amazing picture with accurate colors.
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AVphile
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:40 am Post subject: Re: Best settings for Lumagen mini 3d with JVC R50 / X7 |
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| vincentm66 wrote: |
I’m wondering if someone does have best practices on how to set this up: my goal is to get more “fluid” movement and to get better black resolution as sometimes the black are just black with the JVC. |
There isn't much to do for a digital in terms of fluidity. You can send the Radiance 1080p24 from BD or 480i from DVD or 1080i60 from cable and have it output 1080p24. When the source is film based, it will handle the inverse telecine process automatically. I currently have MEMA setup to do this. I also have MEMB setup to send 1080i60 for video (non-film) sources (you may choose 1080p60). You can switch quickly with the remote. The JVC should display either format smoothly.
Getting the right gamma curve should take care of the black level issue whatever it is.
I went through every video option in the manual (skipping 3D) and decided not to enable any of the picture enhancement features until I see a problem that needs fixing. If you have a scope ratio (21:9) screen you will want to take advantage of the blanking or cropping options.
That's all I can think of right now. Let me know if you came up with anything different... I am new to this VP too.
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kal
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Best settings for Lumagen mini 3d with JVC R50 / X7 |
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| AVphile wrote: | | There isn't much to do for a digital in terms of fluidity. |
Your JVC RS50 has "Clear Motion Drive" (CMD). If you want fluid motion, try turning it on. There are various levels you can set it to.
It destroys some of that 24fps "film like look" (stuttering pans) but some people like it.
Kal
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AVphile
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Right, I was only writing about the Radiance and neglected to mention this, even though I was just reading a review about the CMD technology in an older JVC model. It is a good (German!) review:
http://cine4home.com/tests/3-tests/32-d-ila-projectors-jvc-dla-hd550-hd950-.html
Scroll down to section 3.11. They didn't have much luck with it in the older European model (HD950) but they all generally improve in this area each year.
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kal
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Interesting read.
They've come a long way then because on my RS56 24fps sources are completely fluid when CMD is on either low or high (high does a bit more while low only gets rid of the most objectionable 24fps fuzzy motion effect). I don't use either myself on film content though I could see using it on sports and even possibly on nature documentaries like Planet Earth or other documentaries where you want to feel like "you're right there".
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WTF... You went digital?! 
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