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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:53 am Post subject: Sherwood turn table seems very "trebly" |
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Hi everyone, i just set up the Sherwood turntable, its a PM-9805, seems to have great sound however there is bugger all bass and loads of treble...
Its plugged into a Harman/Kardon AVR347 receiver, im getting a fair amount of volume, not alot, but a fair amount.
The H/K has no phono input, will this be an issue?
I kinda remember this rig having rather great deep bass when it was plugged into the Sherwood amp...
Thanks everyone 
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Nashou66
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HogPilot
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Sherwood turn table seems very "trebly" |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Hi everyone, i just set up the Sherwood turntable, its a PM-9805, seems to have great sound however there is bugger all bass and loads of treble...
Its plugged into a Harman/Kardon AVR347 receiver, im getting a fair amount of volume, not alot, but a fair amount.
The H/K has no phono input, will this be an issue?
I kinda remember this rig having rather great deep bass when it was plugged into the Sherwood amp...
Thanks everyone |
When you say the HK has no phono input, does that mean you're running the output from the TT directly to a normal RCA input on your receiver with no phono pre-amp in the mix? If so, that's what's causing your low volume and bass/treble problems.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: Sherwood turn table seems very "trebly" |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | What Cartridge are you using? And did you use a protractor for set up. Sounds like you have some sibilance from improper cart alignment.
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What ever came with it, and it is still in there from last time it was used with the Sherwood amp, it was installed at the factory, so its never been touched. I can see it is adjustable though, but what does that do??
You may have to explain sibilance to me abit more in detail, ive got no idea what that is.
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When you say the HK has no phono input, does that mean you're running the output from the TT directly to a normal input on your receiver with no phono pre-amp in the mix? If so, that's what's causing your low volume and bass/treble problems. |
Yeah ive tried it in the Tape, CD, and Video 4 inputs, and it makes no difference obviously. No preamp.
Never used a preamp on the Sherwood amp either, but it was into a phono input there. I didnt know there was a difference til tonight.
The bass is low and has no kick, like as if the subs are both turned off ( but they are working, just not getting enough signal ). The treble is a little on the high side compared to where i think it should be.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Cartridge type is MG-2831
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HogPilot
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Sherwood turn table seems very "trebly" |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | HogPilot wrote: |
When you say the HK has no phono input, does that mean you're running the output from the TT directly to a normal input on your receiver with no phono pre-amp in the mix? If so, that's what's causing your low volume and bass/treble problems. |
Yeah ive tried it in the Tape, CD, and Video 4 inputs, and it makes no difference obviously. No preamp.
Never used a preamp on the Sherwood amp either, but it was into a phono input there. I didnt know there was a difference til tonight.
The bass is low and has no kick, like as if the subs are both turned off ( but they are working, just not getting enough signal ). The treble is a little on the high side compared to where i think it should be. |
I didn't know there was a difference until recently either - but that's definitely your problem. Basically you either need to use a phono input, or if you don't have one you have to use an external RIAA phono preamp. Here's a primer on why:
http://www.phonopreamps.com/faq.html#need
I purchased a pre-amp from that site for my mom's new Music Hall 5 TT setup, and it works and sounds great. She's super happy with her setup.
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Curt Palme
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What Hog said.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Brilliant. Thanks people, ill have a ganda tomorrow after work Will see what i can track down
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Nashou66
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Right, got one today for $24.95 AUD...
And f*** a duck, it sounds AWESOME!!!
Thanks all 
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Curt Palme
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CasetheCorvetteman
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There's merit in that idea Curt We're all here mate!! 
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HogPilot
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Right, got one today for $24.95 AUD...
And f*** a duck, it sounds AWESOME!!!
Thanks all |
Glad you are enjoying your setup again
My recent experience with the vinyl setup that I put together for my mom has me seriously considering a TT at my place as well. I own zero vinyl but after listening to some new pressings at my mom's I'm sold!
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Well funny you should mension that, i bought this Sherwood for my mother a few years ago for her birthday, im only borrowing it cause she has no speakers for her amp at the moment!!
I dont own any records either, but my mum has thousands of them, so ive got a heap of them here.
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Curt Palme
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I just want to know if turntables turn counterclockwise down under. 
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CasetheCorvetteman
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They do if they are a DC drive and wired up reverse Curt yes, but the arm doesnt reach over far enough to play them in reverse
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