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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:11 pm Post subject: DVDO iScan HD Error.. |
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Well it appeares my $30 video processor has an issue, which isn't a surprise for the price, lol. I can turn it on, go through all the functions and so on. The problem is, there is a transistor that has a small heatsink on it (3 legged BCE) the heatsink has 6 little fins, that is hot enough to fry an egg when you plug it in... It has been in standby since I plugged it in on the test bench, and does this as well...
I dont know the location name of it either since it does not say on the PCB... but the numbers on the transistor are: JM37AG, LM1085, IT-ADJ
There is also a similar part next to it, only without a heatsink, it gets warm, but not scorching hot like the part above
I think the (possibly?) bad part is a transistor anyway, could be a regulator but I am not a pro techie and do not know!
Could this part getting so hot be why the processor gives an error and turns itself off randomly? My experience with random power downs usually leads to an over heating issue of some sort... and that part like I said gets so hot it can cook some breakfast!
Any Ideas? I need this fixed so I can get my timings set on my XG, then I am DONE working on it (for a while anway )
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 26706 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: DVDO iScan HD Error.. |
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| Jeremy112 wrote: | Well it appeares my $30 video processor has an issue, which isn't a surprise for the price, lol. I can turn it on, go through all the functions and so on. The problem is, there is a transistor that has a small heatsink on it (3 legged BCE) the heatsink has 6 little fins, that is hot enough to fry an egg when you plug it in... It has been in standby since I plugged it in on the test bench, and does this as well...
I dont know the location name of it either since it does not say on the PCB... but the numbers on the transistor are: JM37AG, LM1085, IT-ADJ
There is also a similar part next to it, only without a heatsink, it gets warm, but not scorching hot like the part above
I think the (possibly?) bad part is a transistor anyway, could be a regulator but I am not a pro techie and do not know!
Could this part getting so hot be why the processor gives an error and turns itself off randomly? My experience with random power downs usually leads to an over heating issue of some sort... and that part like I said gets so hot it can cook some breakfast!
Any Ideas? I need this fixed so I can get my timings set on my XG, then I am DONE working on it (for a while anway ) |
Wait you have a VP that can cook you breakfast?! I'm jealous.
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24396 Location: Langley, BC
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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It's most likely a regulator chip that powers the set. I've seen numerous units that run those close to the kill factor, not sure if that's normal or not in a DVDO, you'd have to measure the current running through it. Regulators either fail or are OK, I don't think you'd get an 'inbetween' function..
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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The error code just came up too, it is:
ERR-FD80-98-011F
if it helps
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Heres pics of the LEDs inside the unit, the LED/ LCD on the front of the unit, and a pic of the suspected part. (sorry for the blur)
Hope these help
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 18114 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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The LM1085 is a voltage regulator. This one has adjustable output. 3 amps max.
Here's the LM1085 info: http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LM1085.html
The LM1117 is the same (also adjustable) but limited to 800mA max, hence the smaller heat sink. They're using the copper on the PCB as the heat sink.
You could try swapping one or both out (odd that both would be defective). Could also be that something downstream is not working right and actually drawing a lot of power and the LM1085 and possible LM1117 that are getting hot are just doing their jobs.
Was this $30 VP sold "as is"?
Kal
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RayN999
Joined: 25 May 2010 Posts: 207 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| kal wrote: | The LM1085 is a voltage regulator. This one has adjustable output. 3 amps max.
Here's the LM1085 info: http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LM1085.html
The LM1117 is the same (also adjustable) but limited to 800mA max, hence the smaller heat sink. They're using the copper on the PCB as the heat sink.
You could try swapping one or both out (odd that both would be defective). Could also be that something downstream is not working right and actually drawing a lot of power and the LM1085 and possible LM1117 that are getting hot are just doing their jobs.
Was this $30 VP sold "as is"?
Kal |
Yes Kal, unfortunately it was sold as-is, but I knew that by buying it I could be winding up with a paperwieght. Since the unit DOES work for a little while (completely, and just fine while it is working) I feel it is worth my time to repair it.
I have emailed DVDO the error code I posted above, lets see what they say...
Also Kal, and Ray, if that voltage regulator is bad... would it allow the unit to work like it does? As curt said if its a regulator it would just go bad, and not give me somewhat working capabilities...
I know the best solution to my problems would be to replace it with a working unit, but the several hundreds of dollars more is what is keeping me away from doing that, I have to keep my HT budget down since I've got a few grand into it the last year alone.
This hobby sure like$ the dough
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24396 Location: Langley, BC
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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My guess is that the power supply is bad. Common failure in older DVDOs. A power supply that sends AC spikes through the DVDO would cause that regulator to overheat. If you dare, crack open the power supply and check for burst caps.
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | My guess is that the power supply is bad. Common failure in older DVDOs. A power supply that sends AC spikes through the DVDO would cause that regulator to overheat. If you dare, crack open the power supply and check for burst caps. |
This is a brand new power supply that I purchased for it, I should also note that before I had purchased it I was using another PSU of similar specification and it acts the same, regardless of the power supply.
Honestly thats what I thought it was at first too, incorrect/bad PSU I was using, but that isn't it.
However, it DOES make sense that the VP is faulty since it was listed AS-IS for $0.99 starting bid. And the guy gave some BS line to make it sound like it worked but couldnt be tested because he/it didnt have the adapter...
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
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Ahh, gotcha. It could be some other fault in the unit, causing excessive current to be drawn. You might put your finger on all the chips and transistors other htan that regulator to see if they're running hot. I agree, the seller kinda scammed ya... Still, if you can solder, change that regulator for S&G.
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Ahh, gotcha. It could be some other fault in the unit, causing excessive current to be drawn. You might put your finger on all the chips and transistors other htan that regulator to see if they're running hot. I agree, the seller kinda scammed ya... Still, if you can solder, change that regulator for S&G. |
Ill order the new regulator tonight, and probably get the other one too just in case. I did check the rest of the transistors and chips and there were a couple that were warm, but nothing that would make me think they have gone bad.
Also, for the heck of it I put some thermal compound on the hot regulators heatsink, and put a P4 CPU heatsink on top of that, cooled it down quite nicely, and so far I havent gotten an error from it. So I may be in luck
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Also.. Related to functionality, before I skim through the lengthy detailed OM for this baby, does anyone know how I would go about adding my own resolution to the video processor... without the remote?
I want to run my XG at 1680x1050, it seems to like that resolution as far as IQ is concerned, and its a nice compromise between 720p &1080p
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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Ok heres an update.
Since I have tried the bigger heatsink on top of the VR heatsink, the VP has been working just fine for hours, no random power downs, no glitching of any sort, so that leads me to beleive the VR needs to be replaced, or something is causing it to get hot, but I dont know what that would be because nothing else smells fried, or hot, and all the functions of the VP that I've been tinkering with work fine...
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Boilermaker
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I have a VP50 and have the same issue. I can't believe they use a chassis with almost no ventilation. They should have a small fan on one side and vent holes on the other.
I have the same complaint about many other new consumer devices made today. How cheap can they make them!
Bob
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Boilermaker wrote: | I have a VP50 and have the same issue. I can't believe they use a chassis with almost no ventilation. They should have a small fan on one side and vent holes on the other.
I have the same complaint about many other new consumer devices made today. How cheap can they make them!
Bob |
I agree they could have improved on the cooling a bit better, if the regulator doesn't fix it, I'm not going to go much further on it, there isn't a WHOLE lot I can do with a board that has a bunch of microchips and nothing else
Plus considering they are using aluminum for the faceplate on these, they should leave it as a silver burshed aluminum... would add some nice design to it
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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Well I just wanted to update everyone, I have traded off the iScan HD (non working) to Ray here on the forum for a HD Fury Gamer, I went ahead and bought myself a DVDO VP30 so I can get HDMI and HDCP.
So hopefully Ray here will be able to get it going!
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