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Bleeding with dremel

 
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noos@xp37+



Joined: 17 Jun 2008
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Location: Berlin/Munich

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:44 am    Post subject: Bleeding with dremel

Hello,

I now have three Crts in my basement that are in the need of bleeding (no air bubbles). The first one is my Barco 701, which also was my first CRT. Mint tubes, but never in use because of the lack of bubbles. Lots of Sonys without this problems later, I now bought a Nec 6PG Xtra on a local flea market! No remotes and nothing else included, but working and heavy burns in the center of the tubes (it was run with one fifth of the tubefaces!). And a friend now gave me the six eyed monster from Sinatra days (check AVS), with no bubbles. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=810439)
I simply can not/ I fear to remove tubes, but I am sick of collecting and not using CRTs with no bubbles.

So my idea is to bleed the burnt NEC tube while they are in the Projector by using a Dremel:

http://www.dremeleurope.com/dremelocs-ch/product/2709/396/dremel%C2%AE-4000/dremel%C2%AE-4000

I would bore through an upper corner of the glycol chamber glass (for sure not the tube glass), so that a little glycol squirts out. Then I would turn the projector to the side, so that the hole is on the highest part of the chamber, and seal it with some silicone. It (the silicone) should not interfere with the active tube face. And the tubes are so burned, it would not be too bad if the glass would be damaged/breaks.

How are my chances? Some recommendations? I guess that success depends on the right driller with the correct speed.

Let me mention: I am serious, and this is no training for the first of May.

Best regards

Marc
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CasetheCorvetteman



Joined: 09 Nov 2008
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:43 am    Post subject:

Certainly not. Dont even consider it.
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Curt Palme
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:39 pm    Post subject:

I hvae a feeling that the air bubbles at the factory were so small that you couldn't see them on the tube face. Even newly rebuilt tubes from VDC have no bubbles that you can see. I think we here (or at avs) 'invented' the visible air bubble. Smile

Your technique in theory should work, but since you're already taking the tube out of the set, why not do it via the fill/drain hole? You're not really saving yourself any time by your method, and risk glycol leakage over time.
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noos@xp37+



Joined: 17 Jun 2008
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:24 pm    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
Your technique in theory should work, but since you're already taking the tube out of the set, why not do it via the fill/drain hole? You're not really saving yourself any time by your method, and risk glycol leakage over time.


Hello!

No, I will only take the lenses of, the tubes stay were they are in the NEC.....
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Curt Palme
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject:

If you're going to drill through the front, I'm pretty sure you'll shatter the glass...
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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:33 am    Post subject:

Its a pretty near certainty the glass will break, it is under pressure from the back that can in some cases break the glass without being touched, and youd have to be plain mad to try it with a rooted tube in a possibly good projector, since a breakage will spill the stuff all through the power supply.

Why take such a stupid risk for such a simple task? On rooted tubes of all things!!
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noos@xp37+



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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:57 am    Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
Its a pretty near certainty the glass will break, it is under pressure from the back that can in some cases break the glass without being touched, and youd have to be plain mad to try it with a rooted tube in a possibly good projector, since a breakage will spill the stuff all through the power supply.

Why take such a stupid risk for such a simple task? On rooted tubes of all things!!




Pressure....very goood point. I will most likely surrender.

...well except for the simple task. If you never have pulled a tube, that task feels like the two stacked Mount Everests short bevor climbing them barefoot . Especially the NEC PG Xtra is so filled up with stuff, it makes the Barco 701 look like a empty basket. Or the six tubes beast - tubes are everywhere! Any recommendations were to start pulling tubes at any of these machines?

Thanks for all your wisdom, it might have saved the life of a NEC.

noos
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Aussie_Al



Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Posts: 47


TV/Projector: NEC 9PG, XG1101, XG1350

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:06 am    Post subject:

noos@xp37+ wrote:
Any recommendations were to start pulling tubes at any of these machines?
noos


http://www.curtpalme.com/NECPG_tube_replacement1.shtm Thumbs Up
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noos@xp37+



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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:53 pm    Post subject:

Aussie_Al wrote:
noos@xp37+ wrote:
Any recommendations were to start pulling tubes at any of these machines?
noos


http://www.curtpalme.com/NECPG_tube_replacement1.shtm Thumbs Up




Turns out that the buy of the Nec will be justified by the training in bleeding. We alway find excuses to buy more CRTs...


Thanks to that "big picture" guide!
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Jeremy112



Joined: 28 Sep 2006
Posts: 2649
Location: Fond du Lac, WI

Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:08 pm    Post subject:

I've bled 4 CRT Tubes, all from my NEC XG, The green tube it came with cracked on me one evening when I stepped out, came back the PJ was off.. I turned it on and saw sparks from the green tube. I shut it off immediately.

Further investigation lead to the glycol and lack of air bubbles. Bleeding the tubes is something I recommend. I had almost half a syringe of Glycol by the time I got done with my 3 new tubes. The blue tube was under such pressure that the glycol shot me right in the eye, at a pretty good rate of speed!

I would just take the tubes out and bleed the glycol the way it should be. Taking a tube out of a CRT projector isn't that hard. If a first timer like me can do it, anyone here can do it. Patience is the key Wink

Hope your draining goes well Very Happy!

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