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WanMan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject: HD DVD aspect strangeness on JVC |
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When I use a Sony Blu-ray player with my JVC RS-20 projector, the JVC shows the aspect of 16:9. I am guessing this is because the Blu-ray's native aspect is 16:9. If the content has an aspect >1.78 I simply zoom the projector so the image fills my 2.4 aspect screen. Otherwise, I don't zoom and use the maximum vertical portion of the screen.
When I use the old Toshiba HD DVD player, the projector still reports a 16:9 aspect, and the HD DVD menu fills a 16:9 portion of my 2.4 aspect screen. But when I play Batman Begins the content presents itself as 2.40 aspect (and Amazon says Batman Begins HD DVD is 2.40 aspect), but the resulting image is stretched horizontally.
If I go into the JVC menu and change the aspect ratio from 16:9 to 4:3 the aspect corrects itself, but the movie is not 2.40 as reported online, but rather 16:9.
So, what am I missing here? Its not specific to this one movie, either. When I play the HD DVD version of Sky Captain I get the same horizontally-stretched image unless I change the JVC to 4:3. This movie is reported as both 1.85 and 2.40 aspect online so I have no idea what to think. I only know I have to have the JVC set to 4:3 aspect mode and I'll get a 16:9 image.
Anyone know why the only way to get as correct-by-visual aspect for HD DVD is to use 4:3? I need to find a real >1.85 movie on HD DVD to see what happens, like the sides chopped off. Mind you this is the freaking HD DVD player that stopped playing music CD's.
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greg_mitch
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Some sort of anamorphic lens setting somewhere? Is it stretching because it thinks you have a lens to correct for it?
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WanMan
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Actually, let me rule out it is the projector. I do not believe it is the projector as it work as expected with the BD player. I am not even sure how to invoke anamorphic vertical stretching unless it is changing the aspect mode (when I manually change it from 16:9 to 4:3).
But honestly, is the movie 1.85 or 2.40? I guess I can bring the HD DVD player to one of my plasmas, but let me try it with the Sony HW60 first. Unfortunately, I have to go into the office today (for the whole day).
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WanMan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Waiting for all of these damn storms to take a hike before i go back in the theater. Looking on the Internet, I found a review of Batman Begins (HD DVD) and it shows the movie as being 2.40 aspect. If I leave the JVC sitting in 16:9 aspect the projected image is messed up (squeezed vertically). If I change the aspect mode on the JVC to 4:3 the project aspect of the content corrects itself, but the content are is 16:9, which means it is chopping off the sides.
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HogPilot
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Batman Begins was shot on 35mm anamorphically, so the aspect should be 2.40:1. My guess would be that one of the display settings in the Toshiba is maybe set to a 4:3 display instead of 16:9? Which player is it? I have both the HD-XA2 and HD-A2, and I'm pretty sure both have both output display aspect presets. I can't remember if either has a vertical stretch feature, I'd have to go back and play with it.
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WanMan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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I found and fixed the problem. In the Toshiba A2 setup the video mode was set to 4:3. I changed it to 16:9 and it is now correct and I am seeing a 2.40 movie on the screen.
Now, I just need to figure out what I am doing wrong as I cannot seem to get Dolby True HD audio output. The A2 is connected to the Denon 3312 AVR via HDMI. The HDMI audio options are Auto, PCM, and Downmixed PCM. I tried all of them. The SPD/IF audio options are Bitstream and PCM, and even though I am not using SPD/IF I tried both of these options when experimenting with the HDMI audio options.
I am, however, selecting the Dobly True HD audio option in Batman Begins, and it is not being received by the Denon--AVR reporting BD Multichannel In, which indicates no True HD. Any ideas, here?
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HogPilot
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| WanMan wrote: | I found and fixed the problem. In the Toshiba A2 setup the video mode was set to 4:3. I changed it to 16:9 and it is now correct and I am seeing a 2.40 movie on the screen.
Now, I just need to figure out what I am doing wrong as I cannot seem to get Dolby True HD audio output. The A2 is connected to the Denon 3312 AVR via HDMI. The HDMI audio options are Auto, PCM, and Downmixed PCM. I tried all of them. The SPD/IF audio options are Bitstream and PCM, and even though I am not using SPD/IF I tried both of these options when experimenting with the HDMI audio options.
I am, however, selecting the Dobly True HD audio option in Batman Begins, and it is not being received by the Denon--AVR reporting BD Multichannel In, which indicates no True HD. Any ideas, here? |
In your Denon, do you have the audio source for the A2 HDMI input set to "HDMI"? I seem to remember on my old Denon I could select HDMI, Optical, Coax, or analog, in one of the menus. There were also options like auto, digital, analog, and a couple others that you can toggle through on the AVR front panel or remote that would sometimes switch for no apparent reason, causing me to lose my audio until I switched it back.
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HogPilot
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Disregard my above post, it looks like someone already answered your question over on AVS.
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greg_mitch
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Noticing a lot of user error trends here...
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WanMan
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:50 am Post subject: |
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I'm telling you, the low/no carb diet is killing me brain. That and pseudo-sobriety. 
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WanMan
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| HogPilot wrote: | | Disregard my above post, it looks like someone already answered your question over on AVS. |
Wow, the A2 can't output DD True HD audio, nor 1080P. Even my oldest/first BD player can do that. I guess the bitstream option is only on SPD/IF and for regular DD. Time to go re-buy these movies (on BD).
And speaking of that effort and since I cannot get a copy of Mulholland Drive on HD DVD, the only other option is for me to get either a Region B BD player and buy the Studio Canal UK release, or find and buy a region-free BD player.
Anyone got feedback on these options?
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HogPilot
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| WanMan wrote: | | Wow, the A2 can't output DD True HD audio, nor 1080P. Even my oldest/first BD player can do that. I guess the bitstream option is only on SPD/IF and for regular DD. Time to go re-buy these movies (on BD). |
Yeah, at the time the argument was that it didn't matter whether the receiver or the player did the decoding, you should end up with the same stream of 1's and 0's for the sound assuming the decoder was designed/working properly. There were some people who started arguing that bitstreaming was better because it was immune to jitter whereas a PCM data stream is not, but I never personally experienced a difference between the two methods in terms of sound quality.
As far as the 1080p thing goes, it was often used by the BD camp as a player benefit over HD DVD, but it ultimately didn't mean anything. The highest frame rate of any content available was 1080p24, which means that an HD DVD player would just turn that signal into 48 interlaced fields, apply 3:2 telecine, and then send it out as a 1080i60 signal to the display. The display would then perform a 3:2 pulldown (inverse-telecine) and then re-interlace the fields, ending up with the exact same 1080p24 that started on the disc. So from a PQ standpoint, you got the same picture regardless of whether you sent it as 1080p24 or 1080i60, but the BD side still made a huge deal out of it as a marketing ploy. Of course this is all water under the bridge now.
| WanMan wrote: | And speaking of that effort and since I cannot get a copy of Mulholland Drive on HD DVD, the only other option is for me to get either a Region B BD player and buy the Studio Canal UK release, or find and buy a region-free BD player.
Anyone got feedback on these options? |
I don't think there are any region-free BD players that come straight from the factory, however there is a mod board out there for the Oppo BDP-83 that will allow you to make it region-free for both BD and DVD like the one here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/OPPO-BDP-80-BDP-83-SE-MULTI-REGION-CODE-FREE-DIY-KIT-/120674711454?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c18c5f79e
This is the one I purchased and it is incredibly easy to install, and it worked without a hitch for me. Aside from some HTPC software, this is the only region-free BD solution I'm aware of.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Is your player an XA2 or the A2? My XA2 definitely does output TrueHD and 1080p.
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