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CIR Engineering
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:48 pm Post subject: VPL-VW90ES Vs G90 in 3D |
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I got to calibrate a VPL-VW90 today in Berlin and this was the first one that the client wanted to use for 3D... aside from the fact that the G90 does black, gamma, color, and brightness better than the VW90, it also smokes the VW90 in 3D! The 3D on the VW90 was just terrible especially compared to the G90. The VW90 ghosts everywhere.
We watched a good portion of IceAge which was the perfect demo for me as I watched it on my G90 just three nights ago before going to Europe. Everything ghosts in the background and foreground on the VW90. Honestly, if the G90 had looked so bad I would have never followed through with the 3D project using the Lumagen Radiance processors for 3D on CRT. I am still simply amazed that the manufacturers allow such a crappy looking 3D image to be considered ok and sold in stores. This is an Euro 8,000 projector that is being smoked by the G90 in every aspect including 3D.
The Mits 3D DLP rear projectors are even worse so I still say CRT is king at everything.
craigr
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Spanky Ham
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I don't believe Sony ever marketed the 50 as 3D ready. The new JVCs are pretty decent with 3d, but they ghost a little as well. DLP doesn't have any ghosting problems with 3d.
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CIR Engineering
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | I don't believe Sony ever marketed the 50 as 3D ready. The new JVCs are pretty decent with 3d, but they ghost a little as well. DLP doesn't have any ghosting problems with 3d. |
...edit, sorry menat VPL-VW90 not 50!
The VW90ES was being touted as an unbelievable 3D projector for less money than all competition...
The JVC's are better than the Sony for sure.
DLP does not ghost much, but it can some. The worst part with DLP is the strange black level and gamma response with 3D. Seems they should be able to do better with 3D than they are now so I honestly don't get it.
Whatever eh?
craigr
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Are we talking about the same pj? The 50 came out like four years ago.
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CIR Engineering
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | Are we talking about the same pj? The 50 came out like four years ago. |
Sorry, no, I am being a douche with jet lag... It is the VPL-VW90ES...
DOH 
I will edit the heading and my posts!
craigr
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opv
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | I don't believe Sony ever marketed the 50 as 3D ready. The new JVCs are pretty decent with 3d, but they ghost a little as well. DLP doesn't have any ghosting problems with 3d. |
...edit, sorry menat VPL-VW90 not 50!
The VW90ES was being touted as an unbelievable 3D projector for less money than all competition...
The JVC's are better than the Sony for sure.
DLP does not ghost much, but it can some. The worst part with DLP is the strange black level and gamma response with 3D. Seems they should be able to do better with 3D than they are now so I honestly don't get it.
Whatever eh?
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What do you mean by less money? this PJ costs twice the price of the JVC X3.
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mp20748
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: VPL-VW90ES Vs G90 in 3D |
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | I got to calibrate a VPL-VW90 today in Berlin and this was the first one that the client wanted to use for 3D... aside from the fact that the G90 does black, gamma, color, and brightness better than the VW90, it also smokes the VW90 in 3D! The 3D on the VW90 was just terrible especially compared to the G90. The VW90 ghosts everywhere.
We watched a good portion of IceAge which was the perfect demo for me as I watched it on my G90 just three nights ago before going to Europe. Everything ghosts in the background and foreground on the VW90. Honestly, if the G90 had looked so bad I would have never followed through with the 3D project using the Lumagen Radiance processors for 3D on CRT. I am still simply amazed that the manufacturers allow such a crappy looking 3D image to be considered ok and sold in stores. This is an Euro 8,000 projector that is being smoked by the G90 in every aspect including 3D.
The Mits 3D DLP rear projectors are even worse so I still say CRT is king at everything.
craigr |
I told you... 3D on Digitals is not as good as on the better CRT projectors.
3D on Digitals looks extra artificial. And the distortions are not only ghosting, look at anything that moves, and you'll see even more stuff.
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CIR Engineering
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: VPL-VW90ES Vs G90 in 3D |
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I told you... 3D on Digitals is not as good as on the better CRT projectors.
3D on Digitals looks extra artificial. And the distortions are not only ghosting, look at anything that moves, and you'll see even more stuff. |
Yeah, sorry about all my errors in the first post... but all I wanted to say was that the VPL-VW90 looks no where near the quality of the G90 running 3D. The G90 hands down smokes it!
craigr
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mp20748
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You know I get to see some of the best of TI's DLP engines out there today. And with the industry saying that DLP is the best for 3D imaging, I'll say that not only a G90, but CRT can still smoke them all in 3D rendering.
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CIR Engineering
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| mp20748 wrote: | | You know I get to see some of the best of TI's DLP engines out there today. And with the industry saying that DLP is the best for 3D imaging, I'll say that not only a G90, but CRT can still smoke them all in 3D rendering. |
And the stuff you are working with Mike is on an incredibly high level. Some of those setups you have shown me are totally out of this world...
craigr
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Light Illusion ColourSpace XPT Color Calibration Software
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OMARDRIS JVC Software Patch to use K10-A and Jeti with JVC OEM AutoCal Software!
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CRT ROCKS! 
I smell a retube in the near future!
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