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1031
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 657 Location: Finland
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject: Marquee mod: Temperature controlled rear heatsink |
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Ok. Here is latest mod. On this popular thread i posted little fan mod that has been great, it reduced greatly rear heatsink temp + internal temp. was lower also -> https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=9608.html
Only problem was that gonvergence took some time to stabilize, mostly because heatsink was cooled better from the startup..
I decided to design controller that starts fan at certain temperature and then tries to keep heatsink temperature steady.
(Look at this pdf ->1031 marquee rearheatsink fan controller 12v.pdf)
It is based to NTC-resistor that is connected to "voltage divider"(Ntc+R4) and that voltage is feedet to OP-ampīs inverting input.
Noninverting input gets adjustable "reference voltage" from R2 trimmer, that trimmer sets temperature point where fan is started. R1 trimmer is there to adjust gain of corretion (temperature/voltage to fan) without it (infinity resistance) that acts much like comparator-> fan on or off
Output of OP-amp is connected to base of transistor Q1 via r3 (220ohm) transistor acts like current amp. rest of componencs are for filtering (c3,c1) R1 (2,2ohm) is there for filtering+ it acts like fuse also (fusible 0.5w) D1 is there for correct polarity (ie. connecting voltages reversed does not harm any components) And those optional trimmers are just for alternative type of trimmers for board.
Here is how it works:
Time / Temperature / voltage to fan/ does fan spinn
17.55 / 24 / 1,39 / No
18.00/ 25 / 1,39 / No
18.05/ 30 / 1,40 / No
18.10/ 34 / 2,35 / No
18.12/ 35 / 4,70 / No
18.13/ 36 / 5,90 / No
18.14/ 36,5 / 7,30 / Yes
18.15/ 37 / 7,75 / Yes
18.20/ 38 / 8.80 / Yes
18.25/ 38 / 8,82 /Yes
12.30/ 38 / 8,88 / Yes
18.40/ 39 / 8,97 / Yes
19.00/ 39 / 9,10 /Yes
I have external powersupply (12v) that runs some of fans (belly+ that extra rear heatsink fan) So i desingnet alterative version if someone wants to build version that operates from same voltage (24v) that marquees belly fans are feedet.
Here are scematics and board layout pictures
And yes convergence is much more stable with this fan mod
Edit: 24v versions addet (24v in to the controller,12 volt out (max)to fan
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HK-Steve
Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 849 Location: Switzerland
TV/Projector: Marquee 9500, Epson 8100
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Jarmo,
Very nice,
Will be a nice addition to my 4x 120mm fans on the rear heatsink for me.
How much current is the board limited to ??
Cheers
Steve
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1031
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 657 Location: Finland
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| HK-Steve wrote: | Jarmo,
Very nice,
Will be a nice addition to my 4x 120mm fans on the rear heatsink for me.
How much current is the board limited to ??
Cheers
Steve |
It depends of that output transistor
Tip31c is what i used.. With "bigger"NPN type you get more amps.
Some TIP31 data..
Symbol Parameter Value Unit
NPN TIP31A TIP31C
VCBO Collector-Base Voltage (IE = 0) 60 80 100 V
VCEO Collector-Emitter Voltage (IB = 0) 60 80 100 V
VEBO Emitter-Base Voltage (IC = 0) 5 V
IC Collector Current 3 A
ICM Collector Peak Current 5 A
IB Base Current 1 A
Steve. Do you want 24V (voltage in to controller/12v out to fans) version board?
_________________ Marquee 9500LC (Frankenyokes / Thomas electric tubes / HD-10L / +many modīs)
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1031
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 657 Location: Finland
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Hey jarmo you can send those cad files to alberta PCB in canada, they are not that expensive, i bet 10 boards would be about 100 dollars, and more boArds would be less. Then you could sell the kits or just the boards. How big is the PCB?
I really need to upgrade my eagle software and get into PCB layout again, its lots of fun.
Athanasios
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1031
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 657 Location: Finland
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Hey jarmo you can send those cad files to alberta PCB in canada, they are not that expensive, i bet 10 boards would be about 100 dollars, and more boArds would be less. Then you could sell the kits or just the boards. How big is the PCB?
I really need to upgrade my eagle software and get into PCB layout again, its lots of fun.
Athanasios |
Hello. I have access to do small amount of boards, so i dont have need for service like alberta pcb. Board is quite small (IIRC) about 5x7cm
If someone want those eagle files, just pm to me and i send those
I had to PDF those because Brd. or SCH: files are not allowed here.
_________________ Marquee 9500LC (Frankenyokes / Thomas electric tubes / HD-10L / +many modīs)
DVDO VP-50
New hobby, Rally
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX2Rtpr1njs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZP9FEFXV5c
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HK-Steve
Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 849 Location: Switzerland
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Hey Jarmo,
24v versions for me please.
But I could also use a 12v version.
Have a Great New Year to all.
Cheers
Steve
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