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9" projectors red vs clear c-elements

 
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Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:02 pm    Post subject: 9" projectors red vs clear c-elements

Hey guys,

I know this has been done before, but the other day I compared a red to a clear c-element in my G90 mule. The mule just sits on the floor so it was easy to try both a red and clear c-element by swapping them and taking measurements for both. I put the data and a brief explanation on my web page.

Check it out:
http://www.cir-engineering.com/red_celement_compare.php

craigr

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Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:10 pm    Post subject:

Interesting Craig, I have seen some Marquee's with no Green but Red's what affect does that have ?

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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:53 am    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Interesting Craig, I have seen some Marquee's with no Green but Red's what affect does that have ?

Athanasios

Do you mean that the projector has a red c-element? And that the projector has a clear c-element for the green tube?

If so, this will have zero affect on the red primary so the results will be the same as what I posted. However, a clear c-element on green will result in the green primary being under saturated. A green tube with a Marquee green c-element is almost PERFECT for Rec709.

I should have some plots of a Sony G90 light green c-element compared to a Marquee green c-element. I'll check the hard drive.

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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:50 am    Post subject:

Below is a 9500LC Ultra with stock red and green c-elements. As you can see, the green is nearly perfect and the red is how I have shown with a red c-element. Blue is where blue always is on a 9500LC.



And following is a G90 with the stock light green c-element. As you can see, the green is under saturated because the green primary isn't rich enough.



If you have no green tint to the green c-element at all and it is clear, the green primary will be even less saturated than the stock G90 light green c-element. The only way to make green greener is to add coloration...

There are CRT phosphors that exist that can produce green for SMTPE-C (this is how in theory SMTPE-C was devised). However, I have never seen these phosphors on a front projector. And I have never heard of green phosphors in CRT that can come even close to Rec709 because the colors require much deeper saturation.

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