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[tony359]

Hi guys

I've recently bought a Dell 2709 as a main monitor and I connected it to my PS3 to play and mainly watch BD and DVDs.
Now, while I can watch BD and play games without any kind of problem, the PS3 won't upscale DVD's in any way.

Surfing some forums I feel that it could depend on edids of my Dell. But it seems so strange to me: I can play HDCP contents and I cannot play DVD's at 1080p?

Do you know something about this issue?

Thanks a lot

Ciao
Antonio

[ecrabb]

Interesting, Antonio. You say "the PS won't upscale DVD's in any way"... So, what happens, exactly? How IS the DVD displayed?

Have you tried playing a DVD that doesn't have CSS on it (say a personally-burnt disk) to see what happens?

Also, have you gone into system settings and configured the scaling properly? It's pretty confusing.

SC

[tony359]

The monitor receives 576i and it upscale it to full screen. But I want the PS3 doing the job.

I thinkered with every possible setting in the menu. Basically it's the "upscale" setting. What is CSS? Anti-piracy? No, it was a couple of original DVD's.

I can try to burn something...

Ciao
Antonio

[ecrabb]

If a disk is CSS encrypted, then the DVD consortium made this ridiculous rule that no player would scale the DVD beyond line-doubled, unless it was connected to an HDCP-enabled display. That's why I was checking to see if you could play a non-studio disk... We could eliminate the CSS/HDCP mechanism if you still have a problem with a home-made disc (or a rip with CSS stripped). I suspect that's the problem, though.

I assume your display is seeing and scaling PAL progressive (as opposed to interlaced - I don't think the US PS3 will even output 480i over HDMI). If you've tried all the scaling settings, then it would seem the PS3 doesn't think it's connected to an HDCP-enabled display. Are you using the DVI input or the HDMI input on the Dell monitor?

SC

[tony359]

HDMI. But if the problem is HDCP related, why can I play my BD perfectly? I think they would be the first media to be affected.

However, Dell USA says that it's working fine with their Fat PS3, so hopefully it's just a Slim problem that Sony can fix with an upgrade...

[AnalogRocks]

[AnalogRocks]

[tony359]

Yes but BD are allowed to play 1080p only on HDCP complaint devices, right?

[ecrabb]

Right. I don't think the PS3 will output BD at all over a digital connection (DVI or HDMI) without a HDCP handshake. In that case, I think you get a black screen. So, evidently, your HDCP handshake is good. You wouldn't see a BD at all (or possibly any picture from the PS3 at all over HDMI) if there was no handshake.

But, as AR pointed out AACS and ICT on BD are different from CSS on DVD. They'd be two totally different pieces of software code on the PS3.

If BD works fine, and you've tried every scale setting in the XMB, then I'd guess it's a PS3 Slim/firmware issue.

I don't know anybody with a Slim, or I'd try to test it.

SC

[tony359]

I agree with you 100%.
Well this is a "good" news since, as I said, maybe it can be fixed by a firmware upgrade by Sony (Dell is not upgradeable).
I'll wait for Dell final reply, I want to be sure that with PS3 Fat they were able to display 1080p with DVD's and in the meantime I'll try to burn a video to see if with a home made DVD the issue is still there.

Thank you guys!

Antonio

[WanMan]

So, you want me to try to play a regular DVD and see if it scales, doya?

UPDATE:

I put the I, Robot DVD into my PS3 Slim (own a Slim and 60GB). I may have setup the PS3 to output everything at 1080i as the Slim is connected to a 1366x768P LCD flat panel. When playing a scene in the movie, as well as during the Interpol guilty message, the display shows it is receiving a 1080i 60 Hz signal from the Slim.

UPDATE 2:

The BD/DVD Upscaler option is set to Normal, which means it will output all content to an HD resolution. Also, my Slim is running on the 2.76 firmware. I'm a bit chicken to upgrade to the 3.xx due to failures.

[tony359]

Thanks for your test. Do you own a regular HDTV display or a monitor?

Failures?

Thanks
Antonio

[WanMan]

All of the displays with HDMI inputs in my home are HDTVs. Never had a failure to display using HDMI.

[tony359]

Thanks WanMan

[tony359]

I'm here again. I NEED someone's help.

To recap: my PS3 wasn't upscaling DVDs, displaying them at 576i.

During christmas I took my PS3 home and I found that neither with my HT nor at a friend's home I was able to use the upscale. Actually, with my friend's system I wasn't able to see anything (video was flashing and he has a PS3 that is working properly!).

Ok "faulty PS3" I thought.

When back in the UK I called Sony and I asked for a swap. After the call, just for curiosity, I put a DVD into the PS3 and... IT WORKed!!! Upscaling at 1080p!!!!

What the hell???

Ok, anyway there was something wrong with the HDMI so I'm swapping it anyway.

Got my new PS3, install everything. After a few days I try a DVD.... Guess!!! 576i, no matter what.

Now. I have been trying EVERYTHING. The settings that allow a DVD to be upscaled are just a few.

Could someone tell me what the hell is going on here?

PLEASE HELP. Dell's upscale is rubbish!!!

[tony359]

Anyone?

[AnalogRocks]

What phase is the moon in?

[AnalogRocks]

What phase is the moon in?

[tony359]

it could be the trick, I don't know what to think...

[tony359]

Tried a DVI cable with HDMI adapter. Same.

[tony359]

Tried a High Quality HDMI cable: no way. Resetted the PS3 to default video when using the new HDMI. Tried RGB, YPbCr, everything. I can't sort it out.

I am sure that my old PS3 - that had the same issue - was working back to normality before sending it back. So I would exclude any game or software installed. At the time I thought of a firmware upgrade...

Help, please!