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HDMI (DVI) Splitter and signal loss

 
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daves123



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:08 pm    Post subject: HDMI (DVI) Splitter and signal loss

I'm looking to get a DVI splitter to split all of my components between my crt pj, and my crt rptv. I only plan on watching one at a time, and since the signal is digital, does it matter if I go for one of the expensive buffered models, or can I just buy one of the cheap y cables? I really want to keep everything as clean as possible.
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jkruger



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:20 pm    Post subject:

I use a 4 x 2 hdmi powered matrix switcher. Works great. They are available in DVI as well.
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:24 pm    Post subject:

If you want HDCP removed try the Moome MUX-HD, it has a dvi and a hdmi out and 4 HDMI inputs.

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daves123



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:25 pm    Post subject:

I've already got a switch, built into my Sony RHT-G800, being fed to my DVDO HD+, and now I want to split the outgoing signal. I'd rather not spend $100 + on a splitter, if I dont need to. I've read that a digital signal doesn't degrade like analog, and am wondering if I could get by with one of those less than $20 Y cables. At the same time, I don't want to throw $20 away either.
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jkruger



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject:

Look here: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011304&p_id=2518&seq=1&format=2
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daves123



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:32 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
If you want HDCP removed try the Moome MUX-HD, it has a dvi and a hdmi out and 4 HDMI inputs.

Nashou


That looks nice, but a little out of my price range atm.
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daves123



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:33 pm    Post subject:

jkruger wrote:
Look here: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011304&p_id=2518&seq=1&format=2



That's what I have been looking at, just not sure if it's gonna degrade my signal at all? The reviews seem to be very mixed. Some say that it's fine if both displays are turned on, and at the same resolution. I am running the same rez, but don't intend to watch both at the same time.


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jkruger



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:35 pm    Post subject:

Are all your connections DVI? Do you have long cable runs?
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daves123



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:42 pm    Post subject:

Yeah, both are dvi. The HD+ has one DVI out, which I would be feeding to my hdfury to my box 1020. The DVI cable run would be about 20', and the other dvi connection would go directly to my tv, at about 15'
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jkruger



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:45 pm    Post subject:

Personally I would try to go with a powered switcher or something similar. I have read too many stories about ppl having problems with longer cables and low signal strength or no power on pin 14.
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CIR Engineering



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject:

That won't work. You really should use an "HDMI distribution amp." I have installed several of these two on client's systems with success.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011301&p_id=5068&seq=1&format=2

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011301&p_id=4921&seq=1&format=2

Running just a splitter is hard for DVI and HDMI because it results in echos and excess attenuation. DVI and HDMI hardly work to start with and adding a splitter is not good.

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daves123



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:06 pm    Post subject:

I think i'm gonna go with the powered unit, seems to be a safer bet. Thanks for the input.
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daves123



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject:

CIR Engineering wrote:
That won't work. You really should use an "HDMI distribution amp." I have installed several of these two on client's systems with success.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011301&p_id=5068&seq=1&format=2

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011301&p_id=4921&seq=1&format=2

Running just a splitter is hard for DVI and HDMI because it results in echos and excess attenuation. DVI and HDMI hardly work to start with and adding a splitter is not good.

craigr



Are there any benefits to getting the more expensive version? Or would I be fine with the first one listed?
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CIR Engineering



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:39 pm    Post subject:

Different distribution amps will sometimes work in different setups. It is often trial and error. Get the cheap one first and try it. If it works stick with it; if not, return it for a full refund and try the higher priced one. I have gotten a stable and reliable image on all the systems I have tried both those boxes with Smile

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jkruger



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:57 pm    Post subject:

I went with the 4 x 2 hdmi matrix so there would be future compatability. DVI is dying out.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=5312&seq=1&format=2
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daves123



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:25 pm    Post subject:

This is for a second system in the bedroom, being fed to a 6pg xtra, as soon as I finish changing the tubes. The system downstairs in the theater room is all hdmi.
So, I don't want to spend anymore than I have to, without compromising quality.
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