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deronmoped



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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:42 am    Post subject: Board repair?

Anyone specialize in board repair? What is the lowdown on that, is it expensive, successful?

Thanks, Deron.
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jkruger



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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:52 am    Post subject:

I've fixed a few dings in the past...... Oh wait. Not surfboards? Boards from an NEC?
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Tom.W



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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:59 am    Post subject:

Curt would be a good choice... Wink
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Elaine Benes



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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: Board repair?

deronmoped wrote:
is it expensive, successful?

Thanks, Deron.


Yes and yes, in my experience.

Unfortunately, we're long on the road to a disposable society over a repairable one, cost of repair is one of the factors making this happen. When you can buy a used, or NOS board for less than the cost of repair(or in many cases, less than the cost of even SHIPPING the board for repair), it makes repair a less likely option, despite one's desire to support said repair option...

For instance, I've got one of the great Sony widescreen flat crt computer monitors, but I only paid $125. for it and its in need of repair. Just getting someone to LOOK at it will cost me about half as much as I paid for it, and the actual repair will un-doubtedly be more than I have into the entire set, so it will sit in my basement for a few years then get tossed...
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mp20748



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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:24 pm    Post subject:

Let me start out by saying that I don't offer board level repairs on the forums. But I am a board level repair technician, but I have a target customer group only.

I think concerning board repairs or projector repairs in general, I would contact Curt. Curt is a very competent component level technician that has nearly mastered repairing most of the boards and problems that are commonly seen in our setups. Him and I at times exchange ideas and consult each other on problems. He's not your common or regular tech, in fact and in my opinion, because of what he has acquired over the years to master his repair work, he deserves to be compensated very well for it, because he would be considered what is known in this area as a "master Tech"

I personally think he's not charging enough for his work. I get emails, PM's all the time asking about his prices. And in every reply, I make it clear, it's really a good or fair amount. Only one time I was not clear on being able to say so, but I was not also clear as to all that was involved.

I know the value of CRT projectors has diminished over the years, and that should impact what the repairs would cost. But why would the value of a device effect what a technician should charge to fix it. If a board or device is not worth the repair or not economical to repair, the tech should inform the customer of that. And that's something that I know first hand that Curt does, that plus being very qualified to do the work is what makes for a top shelf technician.


I too have a few computer monitors laying around that will be going into the trash. And it's not that I'm not able to fix them, they're just not worth the time and parts, so they have to go. Now on the other hand, when it comes to my HT, it's not something that laying around because I have no use for it. And it's not something I can really do without, so it falls within the category of some other things in my life, when if it fails I'll be about the business of getting it repaired.

My HT is a big part of my life, much like my HVAC system, washer dryer, fridg, etc.. if any of those need attention, I'm not going to simply replace if I can get them going at a very reasonable cost. And If I'm lucky enough to get an very competent repair person to look at them and also inform me if it's time to replace them. It would be then that I would make the change.


And i would rather have my boards repaired than get one off ebay or from somewhere else that has not been well tested and/or upgraded with the other necessary fixes, and would not come with a warranty, which you will get from Curt. So having a board repaired from Curt is also like buying an extended warranty, because he would stand behind it.

When suggesting to some of his customers on going with him on repairs and were also considering going the ebay route, I've also advised that they also contact Curt to find out how much it would cost to have the board shipped directly to him for evaluation and upgrades if necessary.


Curt don't need to raise or lower his prices, the people who would want a very good and competent repair tech should consider what it would cost for him to do what he does. Or when If you get to be up in age and can see death around the corner, just think of things the same way some think of their projectors --- don't even bother to spend the money, because it's not about quality, it's all about how much longer....Mr. Green


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Nashou66



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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject:

well said mike !!

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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:38 pm    Post subject:

Really, with any repair, CRT or not, you have two choices:

1) Repair the original board
2) Buy a used board and install it.

I'd opt for option 1 wherever possible, and here's why:

a) Many boards are specifically calibrated to your set. This includes (but isn't limited to) HV and video boards. Another board will work out of another set, but may not work properly, or at worst case, damage a tube or other boards in the set.

b) When you buy a used board, it might be near the end of its lifespan. At least once every 2-3 months I get a board in for repair where someone has bought it off eBay or elsewhere, and the replacement board that the person bought has failed again. Now you're out the replacement board costs and the downtime.. twice.

c) When I repair boards, I do a number of repairs/part replacements that commonly fail on the board, even if that part isn't bad when you send the board in. That maintains long term reliability of your set, and upgrades parts that are known to fail.

I usually charge $250 flat rate per board, unless the board needs to be replaced, in which case it could be more, like a Marquee HVPS. I've also given massive discounts to the older ES focusing sets like the Sony 12XX and Barco 800 or similar, as the sets simply aren't worth putting $250 into at this point. For things like Sony 10XX or ECPs, there's not even a point in sending in a bad board, I'll just sell you a replacement for cheap.

Thanks for the post Mike, that was indeed well put.
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draganm



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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:51 pm    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
I usually charge $250 flat rate per board, unless the board needs to be replaced,
more than fair. I can't think of anything I could get repaired on my car or in my house for $250.
If you have a DLP or LCD a new bulb will cost you a lot more than $250.
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ralpharch



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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:53 pm    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
Really, with any repair, CRT or not, you have two choices:

1) Repair the original board
2) Buy a used board and install it.

I'd opt for option 1 wherever possible, and here's why:

................... I've also given massive discounts to the older ES focusing sets like the Sony 12XX and Barco 800 or similar, as the sets simply aren't worth putting $250 into at this point. For things like Sony 10XX or ECPs, there's not even a point in sending in a bad board, I'll just sell you a replacement for cheap.



I think that same point is already there for 8 inch EM focusing AC sets like my 81110+ as well. It's very hard to justify the stated repair cost when a 1080p digital like the Optoma H20 can be had for $900. I think the approach mentioned only makes sense for 9 inch or 8 inch LC sets. (speaking as someone with a bad board or set of bad boards - with easter egging not available as I have no spare part machine). A big regret was not bidding on a parts machine that went for $250 locally. Maybe there is a Marquee curse holding up the value of boards for lower end EM machines because those are interchangeable/compatible with some boards in the better LC 9 inch boards.
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Curt Palme
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject:

While I haven't seen the Optoma, a Marquee will still give you better cost her hour of run time. Don't get hung up on specs, just because a machine is 1080p doesn't mean it's any good.
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Tom.W



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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:56 pm    Post subject:

When it comes to board repairs Curt is VERY good and someone to trust in. My Barco's just hardly ever fail.... Wink
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:14 am    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
a) Many boards are specifically calibrated to your set. This includes (but isn't limited to) HV and video boards. Another board will work out of another set, but may not work properly, or at worst case, damage a tube or other boards in the set.


This statement alone is worth having a board repaired. Just look at a lot of boards and see if there are any adjustable components on it (look closely...). If there is, chances are those were calibrated/adjusted to the set that it is in. Otherwise, they would be fixed values.

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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:54 am    Post subject:

What I'm concerned with, is parts may start to get scarce if everyone keeps throwing out the boards in need of repair. Also, some boards may have common problems (especially older boards), you may buy a used replacement, but it could have the same problem down the road.

Deron.
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draganm



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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
While I haven't seen the Optoma, a Marquee will still give you better cost her hour of run time. Don't get hung up on specs, just because a machine is 1080p doesn't mean it's any good.
no kidding, especailly Optoma. A quick search on the net will quickly reveal Optoma horror stories by the dozen as well as Infocus.
If your going to go digital stick with JVC or , Panasonic, or even BenQ. They cost more for a reason
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:29 pm    Post subject:

wallace123456 wrote:
Curt Palme wrote:
a) Many boards are specifically calibrated to your set. This includes (but isn't limited to) HV and video boards. Another board will work out of another set, but may not work properly, or at worst case, damage a tube or other boards in the set.


This statement alone is worth having a board repaired. Just look at a lot of boards and see if there are any adjustable components on it (look closely...). If there is, chances are those were calibrated/adjusted to the set that it is in. Otherwise, they would be fixed values.

wallace


I agree Don with Curts statement, I had a HDM i f*ck*** up while scoping, i had a replacement but it just wasn't the same, i could not get a stable image with it in that machine Got mine back from curt and it worked much better, Put the borrowed HDM back into the other Marquee to see if I needed to send it in to Curt, but nope it worked great in its original machine.
Not saying all bought boards wont work right in other machines, but its more likely the original will work best.

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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:56 pm    Post subject:

deronmoped wrote:
What I'm concerned with, is parts may start to get scarce if everyone keeps throwing out the boards in need of repair. Also, some boards may have common problems (especially older boards), you may buy a used replacement, but it could have the same problem down the road.

Deron.


Unless I have 10+ spares in stock, I insist on getting the old boards back.
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