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Tube rejuvination question P19LCP07/09

 
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stefuel



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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: Tube rejuvination question P19LCP07/09

I hate using the universal connector for the P19 tubes, especially when they are still in the projector and you cant see the pins to hook on to. I robbed a socket off of a old neck board and trimmed off all the un-needed garbage I'm soldering on three foot leads so that the connections can be made outside the projector. Now the question is, according to the pin-out for those tubes, G1 is on pins 5,11 and 12. Does it make any difference which one I use? I tied pins 2 and 6 together so the adapter would work for 07's and 09's. Thanks,

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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:56 pm    Post subject:

I never use the universal socket. I have bought spare/custom connectors for the CR-7000 and always make a dedicated custom socket using an old neckboard. I do it to avoid mixing up pin numbers.
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:50 pm    Post subject:

Well, my $100 CR-70 has now paid for itself about 50 times over (literally!) Chips' red was shot: Bad emissions and no cutoff: Rejuvenate had no effect, so I gave it two shots of Automated Repair. Emissions were up and solid (including emission life) and the cutoff came back to life.
I watched it fire up and Chip brought the gains back to normal, and green people were peach again! Mr. Green

He's going to do a fast-and-dirty greyscale on it and see how it measures. Chip, you should re-measure it a few times over a week or two to check for drift.

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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:56 pm    Post subject:

Cool...Back in the 1970's I used to ZAP tubes with low emission often time they would last a good long time. Hope this holds true for Chip.

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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:18 pm    Post subject:

Damn all this talk about zapping tubes, I think back damn I knew I should have kept that tube test gear I had and I had one of those CRT zappers too, well actually is was my dads who passed it over to me.
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stefuel



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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject:

Well it's been running for almost 24hrs and the tube seems to be holding it's own. I had developed a couple of other minor problems. I pulled the neckboards off the blue and green to test them at the same time. The green's been fine but the blue tube socket or pins on the tube must have been dirty or corroded as the blue ran away as if a loss of G2 happened. The PJ went into protection and shut down. I cleaned the pins with a scotchbrite pad and spray contact cleaner. I cleaned the neckboard socket with the same spray and a pin of the correct size in each hole to clean the contacts within. It's been solid for two hours now. The other problem is I've seemed to have lost control of the red sub contrast, so I can't grayscale it yet. The green and blue sub contrast is fine.
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:28 pm    Post subject:

Did you try swapping the red neck board with another to see if you regained red sub contrast?
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:38 pm    Post subject:

macgyver655 wrote:
Did you try swapping the red neck board with another to see if you regained red sub contrast?


No, not yet. I do have three backups to try in it's place though. I have not looked into it yet but I don't think that sub contrast control is a function of the neckboard.

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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:52 pm    Post subject:

[quote="stefuel"]
macgyver655 wrote:
I have not looked into it yet but I don't think that sub contrast control is a function of the neckboard.


YABADABA. Comes from the RGB input board to the neckboard, ic2.
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:17 am    Post subject:

I certainly seem to be having my share of "sub" whatever problems. I considered jumping from the second story window to end my suffering but it's not high enough and I'd just break something Laughing
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:08 am    Post subject:

Tonight I'll dispatch Igore to the laboratory to fetch a replacement RGB and red neck board from the used body parts bin Laughing
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:05 am    Post subject:

Well....the problem ended up being the tube. I just finished installing the new one and all is well. This tube has been failing for a while. The new tube is like night and day. I'll run it for a couple of days then re-calibrate it Friday night.
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:50 am    Post subject:

Chip stll need those thomas tubes?

Athanasios

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stefuel



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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:09 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Chip stll need those thomas tubes?

Athanasios


Yes. I still want to try one of the used greens to see how they will work in a AmPro. If they are adaptable and stable, I'll buy at least a new green and red and perhaps a whole set. I've had so much to do in the past week I forgot all about it. I'll send you the shipping money tomorrow. Do me a favor and wrap the neck at the end with masking tape and mark the pinout that worked for you. The first adapter I made for Heywoods Sencore CR-70 I wired backwards Rolling Eyes

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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:44 pm    Post subject:

Hi Chip, According to my CR-7000 manual the P19LCP07 :

Bias = 132v

F1= pin 9

F2= pin10

K= pin8

G1= pin5

G2= pin 6

FIL volts= 6.3 volts

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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:00 pm    Post subject:

tse's pin out is correct. See the PDF
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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:06 pm    Post subject:

I think testing the tubes should be part of any CRT calibration and be done before you even take the colorimeter out of the box. I know not everyone has the availability to do this but if you can beg, borrow or steal the equipment for a couple of hours, it could save a pant-load of grief later. My red has been slowly failing over the past year as I didn't even notice it until I decided to re-calibrate and found it unable to do so. I had forgotten how good the color is on the 4600HD until I replaced the red tube. It is now sweet Thumbs Up
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