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perisoft



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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:39 pm    Post subject: eac3to... bd to mkv questions

OK, so it seems like eac3to is the only practical way to get stuff from bd to a format that a good player will play.

I've dug around on forums, read wikis, and messed with a GUI for eac3to, and can't for the life of me figure out exactly how to go from bd directory structure to .mkv of the movie.

The eac3to 'how to' thing has a huge, elaborate discussion of command line stuff... which, as so much open source documentation does, skips the absolutely essential bits, presumably because they're so 'obvious'. The wiki appears to tell you how to go through some command line process to get a directory full of .ac3, .dts, and .264 files, but I'm honestly not sure, since there's next to zero explanation. And it's not like I'm a -completely- technically illiterate moron.. Rolling Eyes

Anyway, is there any *clear, from zero* information out there about going from bd to playable .mkv, which doesn't assume that you already know 90% of what you need to know?

Thanks!

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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:09 pm    Post subject: Re: eac3to... bd to mkv questions

perisoft wrote:
OK, so it seems like eac3to is the only practical way to get stuff from bd to a format that a good player will play.


Thanks!


Define "good player"???

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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: eac3to... bd to mkv questions

emdawgz1 wrote:


Define "good player"???


Minimally, something which will do software rendering so I can have gamma - and that means the ability to configure the codec to use 4 cores rather than 1. So far, ffdshow is the only thing I've found that meets that spec. Others use the same codec, but have no way to specify multithreading, so they peg one core and I sit there stuttering at 25% CPU. Razz

Ideally, something which does that, plus ac3filter or something LIKE ac3filter, that lets me set levels and redirect audio channels to different outputs - for example, I have the LFE channel going to my two fronts, because they're huge Cerwin Vegas that go down as low as my subs.

My dream solution would be something which does those things, but plays the BD structure itself off a ripped ISO or out of a directory. But so far I haven't found a player which will do that, and it appears that the one-file-per-movie I found in WALL-E was an anomaly. So that leaves me no way to play ripped BD, and no way to play BD at all if I want gamma. Suboptimal! Sad

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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:30 pm    Post subject:

Did you read this one? I got it to work fairly easily with this...and I'm not a huge computer whiz.

http://sites.google.com/site/xorphdstuff/remuxing
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:53 pm    Post subject:

Oh for f*ck*** sake a 5 year old could do it


1. Stick disc in drive

2. Run command prompt (from a prepared shortcut) to eac3to.exe. I have a old 150gb drive dedicated, with eac3to sitting in the root.


3. Type: eac3to d:\

Read the readout for the name of the m2ts file (0000x.m2ts for the example).

4. Type eac3to d:\bdmv\stream\0000x.m2ts (use up arrow to get it the text again).

Read the readout for the track listing.

5. Type eac3to d:\bdmv\stream\0000x.m2ts 1: moofie_chapters.txt 2: moofie_video.mkv 4: moofie_audio.flac.


Wait 45mins.


Mux the 3 tracks into one mkv file with MKVmerge.



And there is a simple gui now - HDstreamExtractor or somesuch.
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:16 pm    Post subject:

Yes, a 5-year-old could DO it quite easily. Whether or not a 5-year-old could figure out HOW to do it is another question.

Just because something is simple to execute doesn't mean that the execution was easy to develop.

Knock over stack of foam blocks: Easy to develop; easy to execute.
Break big stone with hammer: Easy to develop; hard to execute.
Rip BD to MKV: Hard to develop; easy to execute.
Ceiling Mount G90: Hard to develop; hard to execute. Very Happy

I appreciate the help!

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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:18 am    Post subject:

Give me a specific question of where you might get stuck, and I'll help you get unstuck.
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:28 am    Post subject:

All the guides over-complicate a simple process.

All I do is convert the video to MKV/highest quality Audio to FLAC/spit out chapters text file, using eac3to.

Then mux together with mkvmerge.


The only codec that is hard to acquire (coz you can't buy the damn thing) is Sonic Cineplayer 4.3, used for E-AC3/DD+. That's not an issue with Bluray, only HD-DVD.

The Arcsoft HD Audio decoder works after the trial has expired. All you have to do is register that filter - it's in the arcsoft install directory. You use this one for DTS-MA as it will do 7.1, the included decoder only does 5.1. You need Arcsoft Total Media Extreme or something.

Edit: Use regsvr32 to register ASAudioHD.ax file found in the codecs subfolder of TMT (search the arcsoft install folder)



Type "eac3to -test" as it tells you what it needs, but you don't need surcode or the other encoders, unless you want to encode DTS (why???).
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:00 am    Post subject:

This is good thread, I am finally getting the drift on how this is done.

Mike

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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:42 am    Post subject:

I was happy using the -core option for the many DTS tracks that are out there. It extracts the high bitrate DTS instead of full lossless DTS-HDMA (well explained in the link I provided above). Most will like it's ease of use and it's high quality audio, as well as its compatibility with legacy audio receivers.

Mark makes use of flac and therefore can get lossless on all of his rips, but for my first few demuxes, I wanted to make it really, really easy in all aspects...

I still say...the re-encodes are great too! Although I haven't ventured down that road myself as it seems mighty complex compared to simple BD->MKV remuxing.
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:50 am    Post subject:

Do any of you guys ever watch a movie directly off the disk or do you spend all your time arguing with the ripping software? Very Happy

I love my HTPC I can put a disk in a play. Now whether or not the Ampro want's to play along is another story.

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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:49 am    Post subject:

Ripping via eac3to is easy once shown,however I'd have alot of troubles if I wasn't shown just how to do it.I have the problem of trying to add subtitles to some of the asian movies I have,I've been looking for a dummies guide on the net but it seems all the guides just assume you know what to do.


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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:38 am    Post subject:

benareeno wrote:
I was happy using the -core option for the many DTS tracks that are out there. It extracts the high bitrate DTS instead of full lossless DTS-HDMA (well explained in the link I provided above). Most will like it's ease of use and it's high quality audio, as well as its compatibility with legacy audio receivers.

Mark makes use of flac and therefore can get lossless on all of his rips, but for my first few demuxes, I wanted to make it really, really easy in all aspects...

I still say...the re-encodes are great too! Although I haven't ventured down that road myself as it seems mighty complex compared to simple BD->MKV remuxing.



It's actually easier to convert to flac. Just type ".flac"...done.


If you don't have compatibility issues (say a PS3 for playback), then why wouldn't you archive the highest quality possible?
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:40 am    Post subject:

huggy wrote:
Ripping via eac3to is easy once shown,however I'd have alot of troubles if I wasn't shown just how to do it.I have the problem of trying to add subtitles to some of the asian movies I have,I've been looking for a dummies guide on the net but it seems all the guides just assume you know what to do.


Dave



First you spit out the .sup file (eac3to blah.m2ts 5: subs.srt)


Then you need to convert it to .srt with suprip, or supread, I forget. It's an OCR process...a bit painful.


The .srt file is just a text file.

For a common movie just google for the .srt file.
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:06 am    Post subject:

AnalogRocks wrote:
Do any of you guys ever watch a movie directly off the disk or do you spend all your time arguing with the ripping software? Very Happy

I love my HTPC I can put a disk in a play. Now whether or not the Ampro want's to play along is another story.



I sometimes watch direct off disc using MPC-HC. It's almost complete, the only thing that hasn't been added (to libavcodec, which ffdshow and eac3to use as a base) is DTS-MA support - it's DTS core only (and I can't get the Arcsoft decoder HD to connect),


Just use Beliyaals latest build and go. It just works. Can't post a link, doom9 is down.



But I like to archive my moofies.

MKVs are easier to play, and you only mux in the tracks you want. No more picking audio tracks, or turning subs on or off.
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:42 pm    Post subject:

Mark, will MPC-HC play blu-ray off the disc using ffdshow? And if so, will it play from a rip of the blu-ray directory structure, or a mounted ISO?

If it'll do those things, I almost don't need to worry about ripping for the moment - though it would be nice for the reasons you state, and for size, and ... yeah, a few things. Smile But it'd be a nice fallback for when I can't figure something out and my friends are waiting on the couch, anyway! Very Happy

Edit: For reference I dug up the link to Beliyall's build:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=145203

Haven't tried it as I'm at work, but I'm waiting with bated (not baited) breath.

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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:28 pm    Post subject:

I pick dts core because my optical connection to my receiver will only stream the core....if I get HDMI working with LPCM, I'll switch to flac.
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:38 pm    Post subject:

I don't get why you guys don't just do this and be done:

http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=16922

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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:16 pm    Post subject:

Because it's over-complicated and unnecessary.
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:40 pm    Post subject:

benareeno wrote:
I pick dts core because my optical connection to my receiver will only stream the core....if I get HDMI working with LPCM, I'll switch to flac.


You could archive in FLAC, and use either Reclock, ffdshow audio or AC3filter to re-encode to 640kb/s AC3 on the fly.
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