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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: Wow, look at the graphic card wars! |
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It looks like AMD/ATI is throwing down the gauntlet with the 4850 and 4870. Nvidia has responded by lowering their prices and introducing a new card. They also introduced their high end 260 and 280 cards, which are way to expensive for my blood even if I was rich. I haven't read about any new video functionality yet. The ATI cards give 8 channel audio over HDMI now. Anybody ready to stumble up to the bar and purchase one of these new cards? 
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AnalogRocks
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I'll stuble along on last years ( or two years ) ago offerings thanks. I've had it with the upgrade wave. I don't need to spend $1000 on a video card to make my games 12FPS faster My box plays the games fine and can do HD-DVD and bluray at 1080P. What more do you need?
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It just **amazes** me how much the PC and graphics-card industry is driven by a bunch of fraggers looking for a few more FPS. Who knew people would spend that much on video games!??
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| Quote: | | Who knew people would spend that much on video games!?? |
Different people have different hobbies/priorities. There are probably (most definitely) some people who could claim that spending money on a PJ or HT is excessive. Different strokes.
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| Axatax wrote: | | Quote: | | Who knew people would spend that much on video games!?? |
Different people have different hobbies/priorities. There are probably (most definitely) some people who could claim that spending money on a PJ or HT is excessive. Different strokes. |
My brother is one of them. He watches almost all his DVDs on a 32" TV. And he just can not understand how I can spend so much money just to watch a movie. He says I am stupid and could have a nicer motorcycle and truck like his if I would quit wasting my money on that projector garbage..I just tell him that is what I want to spend it on and he just shakes his head.
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garyfritz
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I'm not judging whether they're right or wrong in how they spend their money. I'm just amazed that gamers are such a driving force for that whole marketplace. I wouldn't have anticipated that.
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | I'll stuble along on last years ( or two years ) ago offerings thanks. I've had it with the upgrade wave. I don't need to spend $1000 on a video card to make my games 12FPS faster My box plays the games fine and can do HD-DVD and bluray at 1080P. What more do you need? |
Believe it or not, the 4870 is only $299 wich really suprises me. AMD is going for the throat on this one..........
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Phil Smith
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Wow, look at the graphic card wars! |
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | The ATI cards give 8 channel audio over HDMI now. |
I think this is a big part of why Eric started this thread. That seems pretty cool to me! If you have a receiver/preamp that's HDMI switching and can capture the HDMI audio feed, one of those cards would be very nice.
The one thing that isn't nice is having to buy a power hungry, hot running with noisy fans gaming card to get these kinds of features. I sure wish someone would make a card with HTPC solely in mind. I doubt that will ever happen, but it sure would be nice.
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Wow, look at the graphic card wars! |
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| overclkr wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | I'll stuble along on last years ( or two years ) ago offerings thanks. I've had it with the upgrade wave. I don't need to spend $1000 on a video card to make my games 12FPS faster My box plays the games fine and can do HD-DVD and bluray at 1080P. What more do you need? |
Believe it or not, the 4870 is only $299 wich really suprises me. AMD is going for the throat on this one..........
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And the 4850 is $199 and has been seen for around $170.
| Phil Smith wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | The ATI cards give 8 channel audio over HDMI now. |
I think this is a big part of why Eric started this thread. That seems pretty cool to me! If you have a receiver/preamp that's HDMI switching and can capture the HDMI audio feed, one of those cards would be very nice.
The one thing that isn't nice is having to buy a power hungry, hot running with noisy fans gaming card to get these kinds of features. I sure wish someone would make a card with HTPC solely in mind. I doubt that will ever happen, but it sure would be nice. |
That was one reason. I was also hoping someone would find out if there was any new HTPC functionality. Well, I found it. The ATI has the new UVD 2.0. You can read about it here.
Also, it is amazing how much power you can now get for less than $200. Even for the gamer, the 4850 will run just about every game outside of Crysis just fine. I agree about the power and fan issue. I think Arctic Cooling makes some good aftermarket fans, though.
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AnalogRocks
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| overclkr wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | I'll stuble along on last years ( or two years ) ago offerings thanks. I've had it with the upgrade wave. I don't need to spend $1000 on a video card to make my games 12FPS faster My box plays the games fine and can do HD-DVD and bluray at 1080P. What more do you need? |
Believe it or not, the 4870 is only $299 wich really suprises me. AMD is going for the throat on this one..........
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I always get upgrade regret. If I had only waited 6 months...aww that's ok.
It's a great price though $299 wow.
I paid $850 for my GeForce 4800 VIVO 128meg card back in 2002 and $650 for 512megs of ram. That was my upgrade for the next 6 months.
From 1999 to 2003 I think I spent about $21 000 in computer/gaming stuff.
From 2003 to 2008 I think I've spent about $21 000 in car stuff. Priorities change.
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| papalek wrote: | | Axatax wrote: | | Quote: | | Who knew people would spend that much on video games!?? |
Different people have different hobbies/priorities. There are probably (most definitely) some people who could claim that spending money on a PJ or HT is excessive. Different strokes. |
My brother is one of them. He watches almost all his DVDs on a 32" TV. And he just can not understand how I can spend so much money just to watch a movie. He says I am stupid and could have a nicer motorcycle and truck like his if I would quit wasting my money on that projector garbage..I just tell him that is what I want to spend it on and he just shakes his head. |
Yeah with some people they don't get it. The old guy that owns the neighbourhood garage always shakes his head at whatever I'm driving. He looks at the blue sparkplug wires and says "There's a waste of money" Then I tell him they were half the price of the stock one's and I picked up 2HP and 1MPG with them. Then he says' "Bah" waves his hand and walks away.
Some people just don't get it, can't get it, you can't give it to them, couldn't find it with a map, compass, GPS and a magnifying glass. For those I just nod and smile 
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: Wow, look at the graphic card wars! |
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | I think Arctic Cooling makes some good aftermarket fans, though. |
I've had bad luck with two different AC GPU coolers.
The Zalman products work well for me.
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overclkr
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | overclkr wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | I'll stuble along on last years ( or two years ) ago offerings thanks. I've had it with the upgrade wave. I don't need to spend $1000 on a video card to make my games 12FPS faster My box plays the games fine and can do HD-DVD and bluray at 1080P. What more do you need? |
Believe it or not, the 4870 is only $299 wich really suprises me. AMD is going for the throat on this one..........
Cliff |
I always get upgrade regret. If I had only waited 6 months...aww that's ok.
It's a great price though $299 wow.
I paid $850 for my GeForce 4800 VIVO 128meg card back in 2002 and $650 for 512megs of ram. That was my upgrade for the next 6 months.
From 1999 to 2003 I think I spent about $21 000 in computer/gaming stuff.
From 2003 to 2008 I think I've spent about $21 000 in car stuff. Priorities change. |
Yeah, pretty damn amazing when you think about it. A card that has some really AWESOME features and in gaming reaches and even surpasses the Nvidia GTX280 at WAY WAY WAY less of a price. The difference is actually staggering if you ask me.
Nvidia is gonna get hit hard on this one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=GTX+280
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=HD4870
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Spanky Ham
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Another cool thing about the ATI cards (at least the 4850) is that it is already on the shelves. I was at Frys today and they had a couple of them on the shelf. I don't really like to go over there, but I guess I will go check AVS and see if anyone is using one yet.
I don't think Nvidia is going to get hit that bad. They have lowered the prices on some cards and introduced a new card. It is kind of a kick in the teeth that the 4870 is better than the 260 at a lower price. I am kind of happy for AMD. They needed some good products to compete in the market. The last thing I wanted to see was for them to go belly up and see Intel alone.
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overclkr
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | The last thing I wanted to see was for them to go belly up and see Intel alone. |
It will NEVER happen. AMD and Intel have been in bed way too long together and learned so much.
Intel just happens to have the upper hand in $$$$
AMD isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Oh, and the 260, um well, I was talking about the 280.
AMD is holding well against it at half the price. HALF THE PRICE.
DAMN!!!!!
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AnalogRocks
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| overclkr wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | The last thing I wanted to see was for them to go belly up and see Intel alone. |
It will NEVER happen. AMD and Intel have been in bed way too long together and learned so much.
Intel just happens to have the upper hand in $$$$
AMD isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Oh, and the 260, um well, I was talking about the 280.
AMD is holding well against it at half the price. HALF THE PRICE.
DAMN!!!!!
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Why the odd ball naming convention from Nvidia? I figured they go to a 10 000 named card.
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It looks like Nvidia is going to be lowering prices on the 260 and 280. It seems like a couple of manufacturers almost went belly up because of the pricing.
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