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lyd



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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:13 pm    Post subject: Green tube intermittently off at power-up.

Occasionally when I turn on my 8500 the green tube remains dark. I hit color-8 and it comes right on.

Should I be concerned?

EDIT: Well, let me rephrase that. Of course I am concerned, this isn't normal and I am going to need to figure out what the problem is and fix it. Advice here is welcome.

What I mean to ask is, should I be panicking? Is this a sign of impending and catastrophic doom?

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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:40 am    Post subject:

Sounds like it may be a simple connection issue. Try reseating the neck board, and any connecting wires. Also reseat the HV lead in the splitter. If this doesn't fix it, I have no idea, but my general electronic knowledge says there is a very slight possibility of bad caps somewhere, but not a likely cause (much too easy to be the problem Smile
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:47 am    Post subject:

I think there is a circuit on the neck board that shuts off the g2 to the tube during input switching and frequency changes and soforth if i remeber correctly. it could be something with that were it is keeping the G2 down untill a signal is detected. I think i read something like that in the service manual...any tech know this for sure.? I'll look trough again and post back.

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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:00 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
I think there is a circuit on the neck board that shuts off the g2 to the tube during input switching and frequency changes and soforth if i remeber correctly. it could be something with that were it is keeping the G2 down untill a signal is detected. I think i read something like that in the service manual...any tech know this for sure.? I'll look trough again and post back.

Athanasios


I use a PC connected to the PJ through a moome card, and the computer is always on, so there is signal applied when I power up.

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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:03 pm    Post subject:

Nitmoe wrote:
Sounds like it may be a simple connection issue. Try reseating the neck board, and any connecting wires. Also reseat the HV lead in the splitter. If this doesn't fix it, I have no idea, but my general electronic knowledge says there is a very slight possibility of bad caps somewhere, but not a likely cause (much too easy to be the problem Smile


Yeah, I am going to tear it down, re-seat all the IC's and clean all the contacts with this pricey-ass stuff that Curt has recommended to me.

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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:21 pm    Post subject:

Caig cleaner doenst last long especially when trying to spray it is small parts pins. I spray some into a small cap of a soda bottle and use a small brush to apply it, last longer this way. I read the service manual and what i was reffering to is the spotkill circiut. Even with a source connected it shuts down the power to the tubes in between signal changes, probably not it and some dirty contacts as curt suggested. If it stilla cts up after do the chips on the CLM too.

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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:33 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Caig cleaner doenst last long especially when trying to spray it is small parts pins. I spray some into a small cap of a soda bottle and use a small brush to apply it, last longer this way. I read the service manual and what i was reffering to is the spotkill circiut. Even with a source connected it shuts down the power to the tubes in between signal changes, probably not it and some dirty contacts as curt suggested. If it stilla cts up after do the chips on the CLM too.

Athanasios


I got a can of the solvent spray, a package of the 100% wipes, and a small assortment of swabs. I figure with that array I should be able to be reasonably frugal with it. I probably should have gotten one of the bottles with a brush as well, but the darned stuff really is expensive.

I'm planning to just do every board in the projector at once. I wasn't planning to pull the chips to clean them, though, just seat them and then clean all the edge connectors on the boards and all the connectors on the point-to-point stuff.

Pulling and replacing all those old IC's without damaging something seemed like it might be trouble. Are you recommending it?

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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:38 pm    Post subject:

leave the chips alone unless the p[roblem is still there.

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VDOfreak



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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:21 am    Post subject:

I do have a similar problem on my marquee 8k 1995 with small board at the back.

If you look right at the green tube like me do you see a dim image moving?


My tube went down time to time and now remain downs. Those tubes was in fair shape. The other two are up and running as before. the green one is kind of trying but fail at start-up. any ideas?
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:34 am    Post subject:

Ok it could be the cut off trim pot on the neck board being corroded . Its under some silicone or epoxy. you need to carefull remove it and turn the trim pot a few times to loosen any corrosion. This is in the mike parker thread from

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I know the shutoff problem. That is most likely a slight corrosion on the trimpot that sets the cutoff. I've had that twice on neckboards. THe trimpot is under a blob of silicone so that you can't see it. Carefully chip away at the silicone to expose the pot, and rotate slightly. I'll bet the problem will go away.


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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:37 am    Post subject:

Who is this CURT PLAME that you quoteth?

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VDOfreak



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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:43 am    Post subject:

hihi, so you confirm? As a electronic newbee ,(not yet stupid and can makes soldiers) Im, kind of scare going back there. any precisions to locate it?
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:49 am    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
Who is this CURT PLAME that you quoteth?

Very Happy


oops! soory Mr Palme

Athanasios

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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:50 am    Post subject:

I'm not sure which one it is on the Neck board because there are two globs of silicone, Curt can you tell us which one it is?

Athanasios

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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:08 am    Post subject:

Here's an image of what i got, they're so many ways of rebuilding this prj. Confused


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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:18 am    Post subject:

VDOfreak,

Is that the 8000 you got from me? If so the first thing I would check would be the mini RCA cables that go from the VIM to the VNB's, I had a little trouble with these years ago and had to resolder the connections on the VIM, however I never did anything with the connections of the neckboards, try swapping the red and green neckboards and see if that fixes the problem. It may also be a good idea to reseat the boards.

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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:19 am    Post subject:

Top left corner, R 86 I think it says..Smile

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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:35 am    Post subject:

Ok here are two pics from My Modification Thread

New board

This is the one curt mentions R86 top left blob( bottom left in picture)



Old Board

This is bottom left blob I think its R39(Bottom Right in picture) but there is too much glue to see
for sure.



remember the location of the trim pot after you turn it back and forth so it goes to the same position .


Athanasios Hatzinerantzis

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VDOfreak



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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:05 am    Post subject:

Thanks all, wow, you help me here! Gonna work on this by the end of the week.

Good answers bring more Questions, yet little ones Smile


Say Zebu, what are actually the modif. again? excepted the glicol of curse Smile.


Also how come it's not fully scanning by the right (or both side using phase menu) at many (mostly higher than 1024...) resolutions and refresh rates?
It's the same if i use my old second RGB board or the main that came with it. Also with or without the HDfurry.

If i remember my old main RGB board don't work right in this unit...

BTW, Curt, your cat crack me up!
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:43 am    Post subject:

for now, after fulling removing and putting back the rgb board (main only), the green tube wen back a minute after. I don't get it, gonna test it for 1 or 2 hours
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