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Analog Marty
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LOL, it took me a sec or two to realise what you wrote...
No, I wish though, it was on a trip to Thailand...
Tell you what watching these buggers on TV does not do them justice, the sheer size of their paws alone... about the size of a dinner plate.
Was I nervous ? Thank god you cannot see my pants 
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DLK
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| WanMan wrote: | | Dan, you don't play console games, do you? |
No. PC games only. We don't do much in the way of shooters - mostly puzzle-solving games. I guess you could call Psychonauts a TPS, but it's funny.
-Dan
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Dreamworks, the last major studio left is now Blu as well:
| Quote: | | UPDATE Feb 28, 6:45pm: We've received word from Paramount that DreamWorks Animation will also follow its studio parent and end HD DVD support. DreamWorks Animation sole remaining HD DVD release, 'Bee Movie' (originally scheduled for March 11) has been cancelled. We've updated our database accordingly. |
Paramount cancels all of their upcoming HD DVD releases after next week:
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Ending weeks of speculation, Paramount says 'Into the Wild' and 'Things We Lost in the Fire' will be its last two HD DVD releases. (Due out next week).
Although the studio has yet to issue a formal statement, when asked to confirm retail reports that it had canceled the majority of its upcoming HD DVD slate, a Paramount rep told us that following the next week's HD DVD releases of 'Into the Wild' and 'Things We Lost in the Fire,' the studio will no longer issue any further titles on the format.
According to a just-published article in The Hollywood Reporter, the studio is expected to release its first new Blu-ray titles this summer.
Paramount (and its subsidiary DreamWorks) had nearly a half-dozen HD DVD titles scheduled for release through early Spring. Here is a complete list of the studio's previously-announced titles that have now been cancelled:
March 25: 'The Jack Ryan Collection,' 'The Kite Runner'
April 1: 'Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street'
April 15: 'There Will Be Blood '
Although Paramount stressed to us that their confirmation today did not cover titles released by the independently-owned DreamWorks Animation, Video Business is reporting that the studio's only currently scheduled HD DVD title 'Bee Movie' has also been canceled. At press time there was no official comment from DreamWorks Animation. |
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wallace123456
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, if everyone is cancelling their upcoming hd releases, when are they going to start releasing in bd format? And, when are the bd players going to start coming down in price? When are the bd dvds going to start coming down in price?
The selection between both HD and BD sucks.
The war is over. YEA!!! BFD! 
Get with the program and start getting the movies out to the public!
Hell, if SOny and the movie house boneheads wait to much longer, the bd formart will be outdated anyway. OH NO MR BILL!!!!! Time for another war??? 
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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You're not kidding. I subscribe to a trade pub called Video Business and they do weekly emails with new releases in them. Out of 63 new releases announced for the week, there were 2 HD's and 2 BD's. Two. f*cking two.
You're right about them losing out. I really do think that if they keep this up, stuff like the AppleTV and on-demand are going to take over. To be truthful, that's probably what the studios want. Why sell a disc that can be cracked, copied, counterfieted, sold, and passed around when you can get people to pay for bits - nothing tangible - that can't be (easily) copied or passed around. That's my suspicion, anyway.
This sucks. How many studios are there? There should be 10 new movies coming out on BD EVERY WEEK!!!! WTF? How pathetic.
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wallace123456
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | There should be 10 new movies coming out on BD EVERY WEEK!!!! WTF? How pathetic.
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greg_mitch
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| kal wrote: | Dreamworks, the last major studio left is now Blu as well:
Paramount cancels all of their upcoming HD DVD releases after next week:
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Shouldnt we have seen this coming from how they handled their exit from BD originally? Clean cut.
Too bad as I will most likely be going back to upconverted DVD but I am praying BD players and media get down in prices and releases start to pick up faster than the DVD cycle.
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oliverg
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: |
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This is the way DVD started - remember back? It was 2-3 years before VHS even started to disappear
I still recall going into the music/video shops and there would be a tiny little section with "DVDs!!!" It was painfully slow at first, but then the growth became exponential
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WanMan
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| wallace123456 wrote: | Ok, if everyone is cancelling their upcoming hd releases, when are they going to start releasing in bd format? And, when are the bd players going to start coming down in price? When are the bd dvds going to start coming down in price?
The selection between both HD and BD sucks.
The war is over. YEA!!! BFD!
Get with the program and start getting the movies out to the public!
Hell, if SOny and the movie house boneheads wait to much longer, the bd formart will be outdated anyway. OH NO MR BILL!!!!! Time for another war???
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A) You had the opportunity to buy your BD player for less than $300, but you waited. B) I see no reason why the players should become cheaper as high definition isn't a 'discount' technology. Step up or step away, my friend. If you cannot afford HD then there is always SD and scaled SD in the discount arena.  
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MYoung
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| WanMan wrote: |
A) You had the opportunity to buy your BD player for less than $300, but you waited. B) I see no reason why the players should become cheaper as high definition isn't a 'discount' technology. Step up or step away, my friend. If you cannot afford HD then there is always SD and scaled SD in the discount arena. |
A $300 BD player is a POS BD player. Profile 2.0 is coming out and a decent player will cost $500. You're still better off getting a $400 PS3. How pathetic is it that a game console with a bonus feature of being able to play Blu-rays is still the best Blu-ray player? Maybe Toshiba will make a Blu-ray player that won't suck so much ass.
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wallace123456
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| MYoung wrote: | | A $300 BD player is a POS BD player. Profile 2.0 is coming out and a decent player will cost $500. You're still better off getting a $400 PS3. How pathetic is it that a game console with a bonus feature of being able to play Blu-rays is still the best Blu-ray player? Maybe Toshiba will make a Blu-ray player that won't suck so much ass. |
I agree.
| WanMan wrote: | | A) You had the opportunity to buy your BD player for less than $300, but you waited. B) I see no reason why the players should become cheaper as high definition isn't a 'discount' technology. Step up or step away, my friend. If you cannot afford HD then there is always SD and scaled SD in the discount arena. |
bull**** for A and B! There is something really wrong when the movie houses and player manufactures and of course lets not forget BIG BAD SONY when there is no more deciding for them as to how many to make on which format, and how much to invest in equipment that makes the dvds. There is no more deciding for them.
Get on with mass production of the players, close down anything to do with the hd format, and start pumping out bd stuff!! Plan and simple!!! But to see someone (IMO) take advantage of the "New Sheriff in Town named SONY", wrong; just wrong I tell you.
Hell, if you notice, the advertisements for bd players are now offering a WHOPPING two (thats 2) free dvds instead of the 5-7 that they were including just 3 weeks ago.
What else is there to figure out?
I think its a crock-of-sh*t and it really smells bad!!
And as for the comment about "If you cannot afford HD then there is always SD and scaled SD in the discount arena.", I wont begin to comment back. I am not sure why someone would question my financial abilities unless I owed them money, or asked to borrow some from them.... 
BTW, do you work for SONY??? 
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lyd
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FWIW, I'll add my .02 here as someone who has been buying HD movies in both formats hand-over-fist since getting this combo drive, and that .02 is this: There aren't very many HD-DVD left that I want, and there are no BD titles left or imminent that I am eager to spend $25+ a pop for.
I have no idea if I am typical or not, but around $20 for reasonably recent releases and around $15 for back catalog was hitting the rationalization sweet spot for me. Now that I am faced with higher prices for pretty much anything my purchasing is certainly going to slow down.
Is this pricing really what it takes to cover the investment for these companies? If I am at all typical, it seems they are shooting themselves in the foot, unless the prices I am looking for are just a straight up loss for them. I'll be going from buying 4 to 6 titles a week to, well, who knows? Only the stuff I really, really want to own, I guess. That number per month, or less. (I readily admit that this is somewhat irrational on the math alone, but there is also a psychological hurdle inherent in these price points, for me at least.) My rentals will probably go up... maybe that is more profitable for them in the end, anyway.
*shrug* I don't know, this is kind of a ramble. What do you want for .02?
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WanMan
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| wallace123456 wrote: | | MYoung wrote: | | A $300 BD player is a POS BD player. Profile 2.0 is coming out and a decent player will cost $500. You're still better off getting a $400 PS3. How pathetic is it that a game console with a bonus feature of being able to play Blu-rays is still the best Blu-ray player? Maybe Toshiba will make a Blu-ray player that won't suck so much ass. |
I agree.
| WanMan wrote: | | A) You had the opportunity to buy your BD player for less than $300, but you waited. B) I see no reason why the players should become cheaper as high definition isn't a 'discount' technology. Step up or step away, my friend. If you cannot afford HD then there is always SD and scaled SD in the discount arena. |
bull**** for A and B! There is something really wrong when the movie houses and player manufactures and of course lets not forget BIG BAD SONY when there is no more deciding for them as to how many to make on which format, and how much to invest in equipment that makes the dvds. There is no more deciding for them.
Get on with mass production of the players, close down anything to do with the hd format, and start pumping out bd stuff!! Plan and simple!!! But to see someone (IMO) take advantage of the "New Sheriff in Town named SONY", wrong; just wrong I tell you.
Hell, if you notice, the advertisements for bd players are now offering a WHOPPING two (thats 2) free dvds instead of the 5-7 that they were including just 3 weeks ago.
What else is there to figure out?
I think its a crock-of-sh*t and it really smells bad!!
And as for the comment about "If you cannot afford HD then there is always SD and scaled SD in the discount arena.", I wont begin to comment back. I am not sure why someone would question my financial abilities unless I owed them money, or asked to borrow some from them....
BTW, do you work for SONY??? |
No, I work for the other Evil Empire (AT&T), and I may be listening to your phone conversations and using Deep Packet Inspection to see what your sending across the Internet.
And I never said the situation smelled like a pretty flowers. I simply stated that others were able to buy for less than $300, and now that you mentioned it mass production has kicked in to make available to you players at 25% of the original retail costs. Sony cannot help it if we are poor.
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Tinman
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| WanMan wrote: |
A) You had the opportunity to buy your BD player for less than $300, but you waited. B) I see no reason why the players should become cheaper as high definition isn't a 'discount' technology. Step up or step away, my friend. If you cannot afford HD then there is always SD and scaled SD in the discount arena. |
Actually, I spend a LOT of time in the discount arena. I learned a long time ago that buying retail is just plain STUPID. The early adopter always gets shafted.
And since digital and HD is actually being forced on us by the media in general, I don't consider it a "non-discount" technology either. They want global adoption, get the price down. HD-DVD WAS the right step.
I choose for now, to step away.
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| Tinman wrote: | | WanMan wrote: |
A) You had the opportunity to buy your BD player for less than $300, but you waited. B) I see no reason why the players should become cheaper as high definition isn't a 'discount' technology. Step up or step away, my friend. If you cannot afford HD then there is always SD and scaled SD in the discount arena. |
Actually, I spend a LOT of time in the discount arena. I learned a long time ago that buying retail is just plain STUPID. The early adopter always gets shafted.
And since digital and HD is actually being forced on us by the media in general, I don't consider it a "non-discount" technology either. They want global adoption, get the price down. HD-DVD WAS the right step.
I choose for now, to step away.
Marc |
Yep, I see that company man standing behind you with a .44 pointed at your back.
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wallace123456
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| WanMan wrote: | | No, I work for the other Evil Empire (AT&T), and I may be listening to your phone conversations and using Deep Packet Inspection to see what your sending across the Internet. |
Hhhmmm... Be careful; very careful. I work for the other half the the overall Evil Empire (Verizon). I started with MCI 20 years ago and have been in the phone industry for 32 working for SPRINT, GTE, and other LECs. Truth be told, I used to be one of the persons that actually did the cross-connects for "Big Brother" for phone taps. But than was when everything was copper wire. Ahhh,,, the good old days......
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Oh, please. That's such bull****. They just destroy any credibility they might have had when they say that stuff unqualified. Sadly, though - for the masses, at least - he's probably not far off. Thinking of all he ED plasmas, 720p RPTVs and LCD's, and TV's under ~40 inches, he's probably not far off. His next sentence reads:
| Quote: | | The players would be much cheaper than Blu-ray players too. Next-generation DVD players are in a much weaker position than when standard DVD players were first introduced. |
There's a lot of truth to that. I used to be of the opinion that anything 'HD' would sell like hot cakes. I'm not so sure anymore. Considering the relative lack of quality of displays in most homes (even when HD), the lack of true quality in a lot of other equipment (satellite, cable, etc.), I don't know if people are going to bite - especially at the premium prices that BD's command. I know a few of you don't think there's a big difference, but when you walk into Best Buy and the new releases on DVD are $17.99, and most of the BD's are $24.99 to $29.99... Houston, we have a problem. I can't overstate how much I hope I'm wrong, but the more I see what's happening - especially in the wake of the death of HD DVD - I could really see Blu-ray becoming the next SACD or DVD-A.
What if we found out it was the war (and the constant press coverage of the war - sales stats, studio support, shifting support, payoffs, etc.) that was buoying support and interest in HD DVD and BD? What if - now that the war is over - HDM simply faded from the general public's consciousness? How sad would that be? I read a lot of trade publications and to me, things seem eerily quiet on the HDM front right now.
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According to the latest reports - BR is doing 2-3 times better than DVD was at the same stage vs VHS. So, hot cakes Even down scaled 1080p looks damn good on a native 720p set. Remember, most of these sets were marketed as "HD" back in 2003 and few average people can make the distinction between "HD" and "TrueHD"
CEO Atsutoshi Nishida is just desperate to offload the huge volumes of now (effectively) dead player stock. His credibility will only be questioned by enthusiasts but the majority of consumers will listen and say "ooh.." and 'ahh.." and buy players for $99.. convinced in the knowledge that their upscaled SD looks just as good as native 1080p sources.
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| oliverg wrote: | According to the latest reports - BR is doing 2-3 times better than DVD was at the same stage vs VHS. So, hot cakes Even down scaled 1080p looks damn good on a native 720p set. Remember, most of these sets were marketed as "HD" back in 2003 and few average people can make the distinction between "HD" and "TrueHD"
CEO Atsutoshi Nishida is just desperate to offload the huge volumes of now (effectively) dead player stock. His credibility will only be questioned by enthusiasts but the majority of consumers will listen and say "ooh.." and 'ahh.." and buy players for $99.. convinced in the knowledge that their upscaled SD looks just as good as native 1080p sources. |
I was watching the shopping channel two weekend's ago, while channel surfing ( aka flipping as fast as I can ) through the analog tv channels with a SONY ( gasp ) TV converter from 1984. ( damn I love how fast you can chane channels in analog )
The Shopping Channel is giving away an HD-DVD player with their 42" LCD Tv's this weekend they had changed that deal to include a Samsung combo player for $300. Hmmm
Guess they managed to clear their old HD-DVD player stock.
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