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lyd
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Picture worth 1K words?
I didn't count, but I got around to putting everything in one place and it looks about even. *shrug*
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oliverg
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| DLK wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: | | Same question again.... What makes DRM, Regional codes and Blu ray a better format ??? |
Good question. What do the BD royalty arrangements look like for Sony? If they receive any royalties from the sale of BD discs, I won't be participating in Hi Def, as this would require violating my self-imposed post-rootkit boycott of anything that might send cash into their coffers. It goes pretty deep. I still get a lot of enjoyment out of normal DVDs with FFDShow.
-Dan |
Your loss. Sony don't give a damn about the 32000 odd people that wont be buying their products.
They will still make billions... all that you will have achieved is losing out on HiDef. Tantamount to sticking your head in the sand really.
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CRT_Ben
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| oliverg wrote: | | DLK wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: | | Same question again.... What makes DRM, Regional codes and Blu ray a better format ??? |
Good question. What do the BD royalty arrangements look like for Sony? If they receive any royalties from the sale of BD discs, I won't be participating in Hi Def, as this would require violating my self-imposed post-rootkit boycott of anything that might send cash into their coffers. It goes pretty deep. I still get a lot of enjoyment out of normal DVDs with FFDShow.
-Dan |
Your loss. Sony don't give a damn about the 32000 odd people that wont be buying their products.
They will still make billions... all that you will have achieved is losing out on HiDef. Tantamount to sticking your head in the sand really. |
Let's get this straight...so what you're saying is, we should abandon our principles when we stand to benefit? Nice. If we applied this model to everything else, we'd all be littering and stealing 
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oliverg
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:09 am Post subject: |
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There's standing up for one's principles and there's pointless posturing.
Pointless posturing involves suffering for absolutely no reason or benefit.. other than supporting one's principles.
Personally, I like to choose which principles I actively exert effort in supporting.
If the nett result of my pointless posturing achieves (in real terms) zilch.. why do it?
For example .. in this case, Sony might miss out on a few hundred thousand dollars (at the most) each year. When Sony’s nett margins are as high as they are, they really don’t care. Sony care sooooo much less about you buying BR, but by you not buying BR, you miss out on what is currently the best source on the market.
Who is losing out more.. Sony or you?
Personally, I like to choose the battles which actually mean something.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| CRT_Ben wrote: | | oliverg wrote: | | DLK wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: | | Same question again.... What makes DRM, Regional codes and Blu ray a better format ??? |
Good question. What do the BD royalty arrangements look like for Sony? If they receive any royalties from the sale of BD discs, I won't be participating in Hi Def, as this would require violating my self-imposed post-rootkit boycott of anything that might send cash into their coffers. It goes pretty deep. I still get a lot of enjoyment out of normal DVDs with FFDShow.
-Dan |
Your loss. Sony don't give a damn about the 32000 odd people that wont be buying their products.
They will still make billions... all that you will have achieved is losing out on HiDef. Tantamount to sticking your head in the sand really. |
Let's get this straight...so what you're saying is, we should abandon our principles when we stand to benefit? Nice. If we applied this model to everything else, we'd all be littering and stealing |
and using harsh language....
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CRT_Ben
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| oliverg wrote: | There's standing up for one's principles and there's pointless posturing.
Pointless posturing involves suffering for absolutely no reason or benefit.. other than supporting one's principles. |
Yes, that's why they're called principles, not benefits. They aren't always easy.
| oliverg wrote: | Personally, I like to choose which principles I actively exert effort in supporting.
If the nett result of my pointless posturing achieves (in real terms) zilch.. why do it? |
Why do it? Because if a person's character is built on an ever-shifting foundation based solely on what is convenient and beneficial to them, they wouldn't be a very good person in my book.
| oliverg wrote: | | For example .. in this case, Sony might miss out on a few hundred thousand dollars (at the most) each year. When Sony’s nett margins are as high as they are, they really don’t care. Sony care sooooo much less about you buying BR, but by you not buying BR, you miss out on what is currently the best source on the market. |
Just because you as a single consumer can't take out the multi-billion dollar corporation, doesn't automatically mean you should throw your money behind them...
| oliverg wrote: | | Who is losing out more.. Sony or you? |
Well, it all depends on your point of view doesn't it? Some people don't like to finance rootkit development, and it sounds like DLK is one of them.
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oliverg
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| CRT_Ben wrote: | | oliverg wrote: | There's standing up for one's principles and there's pointless posturing.
Pointless posturing involves suffering for absolutely no reason or benefit.. other than supporting one's principles. |
Yes, that's why they're called principles, not benefits. They aren't always easy.
| oliverg wrote: | Personally, I like to choose which principles I actively exert effort in supporting.
If the nett result of my pointless posturing achieves (in real terms) zilch.. why do it? |
Why do it? Because if a person's character is built on an ever-shifting foundation based solely on what is convenient and beneficial to them, they wouldn't be a very good person in my book.
| oliverg wrote: | | For example .. in this case, Sony might miss out on a few hundred thousand dollars (at the most) each year. When Sony’s nett margins are as high as they are, they really don’t care. Sony care sooooo much less about you buying BR, but by you not buying BR, you miss out on what is currently the best source on the market. |
Just because you as a single consumer can't take out the multi-billion dollar corporation, doesn't automatically mean you should throw your money behind them...
| oliverg wrote: | | Who is losing out more.. Sony or you? |
Well, it all depends on your point of view doesn't it? Some people don't like to finance rootkit development, and it sounds like DLK is one of them. |
Good for you Ben. You stick it to 'em.
Talk about cutting off the nose to spite the face. But, no matter 
Along with the 32000 other people, you sure are showing them! Sony execs are quaking in their boots.
Hey, while you're at it - why don't you go on a 3 month hunger strike?
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emdawgz1
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Wow.
You'd think these hd-dvd guys were fighting for world peace or something.
All this talk about ethics and standing up ..... 
we are talking about a movie format .....right???
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CRT_Ben
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | Wow.
You'd think these hd-dvd guys were fighting for world peace or something.
All this talk about ethics and standing up .....
we are talking about a movie format .....right??? |
If it wasn't obvious, I was playing devil's advocate on behalf of DLK (not that he asked me to...)
I really don't feel all that strongly about Sony, but I think the rootkit sh*t was absolutely ridiculous, and if people want to stand up to Sony for it, who am I to ridicule them? Ever think that it's not just about the movie formats, but the companies that produce them?
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kal
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| oliverg wrote: | Who is losing out more.. Sony or you?
Personally, I like to choose the battles which actually mean something. |
I agree. Nothing wrong about doing something for a good cause, but c'mon guys, this is about HIGH DEF HOME THEATER MOVIES ON DISC that currently only well off middle to high income earners can afford.
Doing something noble like fighting for freedom of civil rights or world peace, ending cancer... all those I understand.
But tell someone you take a personal stand against a certain high definition format used in home theater movies, they're just going to laugh at you: "Ohh you freedom fighter you! What a sacrifice you're making!". 
People seem to forget or silly or insignificant HD on disc is in the greater scheme of things. It's a silly luxury item.
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greg_mitch
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well it is a bit more of a luxury now, isn't it?
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ronholm
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| kal wrote: |
People seem to forget or silly or insignificant HD on disc is in the greater scheme of things. It's a silly luxury item.
Kal |
Now come on Kal... This battle is bigger than that.... 
The insurgency begins...
Oct. 1, 2004
Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri
Home Theater owners: Do Not Wait
Defending the HD DVD is a responsibility for all mankind. You should never give up the HD DVD even if the whole world drops it. In the realm of HD we don't face the Blue Ray only, but the anti-human world coalition led by Sony the Crusader and the Corporate Executive. We know who killed HD DVD and it wasn't Warner alone that killed them. Best Buy and Walmart and our leaders supported them in their act.
This is the century of the Home Theater resistance after the governments have weakened and kneeled down before the invading crusader.
Geez i have been in the trench's to long... I found that way to fast....
Oh god He goes on...
Let's learn a lesson from Warner, where the HD DVD has vanished or was removed from power but the resistance remained. The studio's of Paramount and Universal were transformed into resistance leadership.
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DLK
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:28 am Post subject: |
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I don't delude myself into thinking that my opinions matter to most folks. However, I still feel free to express them. I used to feel sorta sorry for Sony during the VHS/Betamax stuff, but ever since they acquired Columbia they've become arrogant. This feels similar to the state of being 'all EULAed out' when having to deal with Microsoft. I don't feel particularly good about Sony's incipient monopoly on what promises to become the de facto standard for high-definition media distribution.
Anyway, does Sony get royalties on each BD disc sold?
-Dan
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| ronholm wrote: | Oct. 1, 2004
Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri
Home Theater owners: Do Not Wait
Defending the HD DVD is a responsibility for all mankind. You should never give up the HD DVD even if the whole world drops it. In the realm of HD we don't face the Blue Ray only, but the anti-human world coalition led by Sony the Crusader and the Corporate Executive. We know who killed HD DVD and it wasn't Warner alone that killed them. Best Buy and Walmart and our leaders supported them in their act. |
Wow, this Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri sure was a visionist! He predicted that Warner, Best Buy, and Walmart would drop HD DVD a full 4 years before it even happened!
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WanMan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Dan, you don't play console games, do you.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| DLK wrote: | | Anyway, does Sony get royalties on each BD disc sold? |
Of course they do, along with a bunch of other folks.
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ronholm
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| kal wrote: |
Wow, this Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri sure was a visionist! He predicted that Warner, Best Buy, and Walmart would drop HD DVD a full 4 years before it even happened!
Kal |
Actually Zawahiri was looking forward in that letter... that is why I thought it such a good fit... That letter is basically the realization of chit he said in December 2001... and how to move forward based on his 2001 predictions...
But I'll have to save that for another thread...
more of the same letter...
We cannot not wait anymore than we have
already or else we will be devoured one
Studio at a time as they have occupied us in
the last two years. The Home theater world has
entered the period of occupation and division.
The resistance foiled the crusaders' and Sony's
plans and put them in an embarrassing
defensive and they're looking for a way out.
Late 2004 remember... Right before a very important election here in the states...
Come on Kal... Guerrilla fighters have to beleive that they have a chance to win in order to continue to fight. They are not fighting on logical reasoning, but emotional... You have to feed their emotions... I'd bet you Zawahiri had that kind of vision because he knows his enemy Sony very well.... He had to set up his fighters for what he knew would undoubtedly happen... That way even when you lose you can tell everyone that it is Ok because it was in your plans all along as a small part of the greater plan of the final world domination of the HD DVD....
In his next writing after the election of Bush.. whom we all know is really responsible for Supporting the multinational corporation Sony, and their racist, imperialistic plot to dominate the world, Zawahiri had this vision...
In order to be a nation graced with endurance
and perseverance, we must understand a
number of important facts: The first is that the
fall of Toshiba (baghdad) is, in fact, the fall of all the
regimes that relinquished HD DVD(jihad) and assisted
the invasion of Walmart. Even those that did not
fall publicly fell long ago, with no noise, clatter
of guns, or bombardment. Those not captured
by the Crusading forces today are expected to
become their targets tomorrow.
The second fact is that Toshiba was not
occupied on April 9, 2003. It fell long before. It
fell when Masaru Ibuka  sought the help of
the British to restore him to the throne of Electronics
in exchange for Bell Lab's occupation; when
Texas instruments agreed with the British on a
rebellion against the country of the Caliphate
or when Masaru Ibuka agreed to be
under American protection, British authority
and later American; and when the Arabs
accepted the peace agreement in 1949.
Afterwards, the Arabs continued to deteriorate
from one agreement to the other, until Betamax
and the Walkman.
(sorry I just can't bring myself to change the dates... To many people have never seen this stuff before.. I have to give them some clues as to exactly what they are reading)
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In the spirit of Jihad of course...
"No we fight you because we are free men who don't sleep under the oppression Blue Ray. We want to restore freedom to our Nation and just as you lay waste to our Nation, so shall we lay waste to yours. No one except a dumb thief plays with the Picture quality and home theater enjoyment of others and then makes himself believe he will be free enjoy his own home theater.."
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Ummm, let's be realistic for a second and stop to think what we are arguing about...
Does it seem to you like "my toy truck is bigger than your toy truck !" ?
As far as I am concerned, both formats brought in hi-def viewing pleasure into my life and that is all that matters, just because one is dead - so what ?
I'm still going to enjoy my movies...
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| Analog Marty wrote: | Ummm, let's be realistic for a second and stop to think what we are arguing about...
Does it seem to you like "my toy truck is bigger than your toy truck !" ?
As far as I am concerned, both formats brought in hi-def viewing pleasure into my life and that is all that matters, just because one is dead - so what ?
I'm still going to enjoy my movies... |
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