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dropzone7
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| MikeEby wrote: | Ahh, makes sense, just for fun have you tried HD-DVD > HDFury > RGBHV > XG852 ? I know you won't have the gamma boost but it would be interesting to see what happens.
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No, never tried that as I got the RTC2200 first and then added the Fury so I could use HDMI sources. Everything worked great on the 110 and also on the 852 for a short time before I started having these issues. I might try taking the transcoder out of the mix to see what happens.
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MikeEby
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True, it all was working with the 110, I am just a big fan of KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid.  I have a second RGBHV card for mine as well as a Gen 1 moome card, I only use the built in RGBHV right now, Comcast and Dish are now so compressed HD its hardly HD anymore  Blu-ray or HD-DVD blows them away, most of the OTA HD local stations here are multicasting so they suck too. That's why I only have the HTPC for Blu-ray and HD-DVD connected now.
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Elaine Benes
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Personally, I'd eliminate HDMI as a source, even if you are processing it through a Fury or something else. HDMI sources aren't steady and the XG's I have here, which do NOT have any scrambled mess problem, HATE the HDMI sources when they switch and come and go.
Try component out from the HD DVD/BD through the transcoder.
Heck, try all permutations before you give in...
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Mark_A_W
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The thicken plots.
I would plug a PC straight in at 1024x768 via a breakout cable. KISS.
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dropzone7
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I was going to try Mike's suggestion of eliminating the transcoder first but I need a blasted gender changer for the VGA. For now I could take the Fury out and try the component in like Paul said. Mark, I know you like HTPC but I suck with graphics cards, timings, etc. I can try a PC but I need to do all of the setup on a monitor first so I know what's going on.
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Mark_A_W
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Like I said, I'd just run standard 1024 x 768 straight to it (via a breakout cable) for testing. No powerstrip, nothing fancy.
And yes, test the PC on a CRT monitor first.
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kschmit2
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Definitely eliminate the Onkyo from the chain for all of your testing, and ideally as many other devices as possible.
You don't need any switching as long as the PJ isn't working properly.
The HTPC suggestion is ideal as well. VGA->RGBHV breakout cable.
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dropzone7
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Okay, I have a PC setup running 1024x768 through a VGA to RGBHV cable connected directly to the projector, nothing in between. I fired it up and it did it's usual clicking and flashing but this time it only flashed on and off twice so it synced to something faster this time. Problem is, it's still scrambled so I can't read menus still. Picture below are what it looks like with the PC connected and syncing to this jumbled mess. This thing just does not like anything RGB right now. If I tried switching to another entry from this one it would just go dark and then eventually if I hit the INFO button it would say that it was synced to a PAL signal line #51 through S-video which is not even connected right now.
This one is with the INFO button pressed showing what menus look like.
Switching away from this scrambled image I get the following. Dark screen, no image but readable menu showing an input which is not even connected. Well, actually it does not show an input source at all and it's just named S-Video because someone named it that in the input list I suppose.
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MikeEby
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Ok, I'm convinced you have a hardware issue. I you want to drive to Shelbyville IL and pick up that 852 I bought and try to swap boards around your welcome, not much help I know. I assume the 110 Osc board won't just swap right in?
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dropzone7
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| MikeEby wrote: | Ok, I'm convinced you have a hardware issue. I you want to drive to Shelbyville IL and pick up that 852 I bought and try to swap boards around your welcome, not much help I know. I assume the 110 Osc board won't just swap right in?
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Dr. Mike, I'm afraid you are correct. Or at least I don't have a better explanation. If that unit was within a state south or north of me I might consider it but not really worth it to go that far. I checked the boards in the 110 right away and the numbers are different so I'm assuming that would be a no go. Not sure if it would hurt anything to try it but it might.
It looked pretty dam decent running composite video only for about 3 hours last night. (never thought I would say that) RGB is just totally screwed though.
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Mark_A_W
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Hmm...now I agree (well, guess anyway) that it's the system board.
It's not the OSC board if it is reporting the wrong TYPE of input. It's only the OSC board if it's reporting the wrong FREQUENCY, but everything else is working ok.
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dropzone7
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Oh well, it's not looking good for me finding one of those. At least not at a reasonable price. For the prices I have been quoted it makes it more attractive to just start parting out everything and try something else. I guess you know what "something else" means.
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Mark_A_W
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You did try forcing it to the RGBHV input by pressing the number on the remote?
I can't remember exactly which is which, but numbers 1,2,3 will switch between Composite, RGBHV and S-video.
But yes, I would be contemplating parting it out, and putting the tubes in the 1100.
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dropzone7
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | You did try forcing it to the RGBHV input by pressing the number on the remote?
I can't remember exactly which is which, but numbers 1,2,3 will switch between Composite, RGBHV and S-video.
But yes, I would be contemplating parting it out, and putting the tubes in the 1100. |
Yeah, I tried the buttons on the remote for inputs and it does make the clicking noise but just flashes and gives me the same no signal messages I have had all along.
With the level of frustration I have right now I'm not sure I have the patience to take everything apart again just to get back to where I was. Maybe later but it looks like I will just go without a HT for now. It's been more like work than fun lately anyway. I'm not blaming the projector(s) or anyone else. I'm limited by the amount of time and money I can invest in a HT anyway and my skill with these things is lacking at best. I know this is simple for a lot of you guys but I was kind of proud of myself for changing that green tube and the thing actually working afterward. I'm not sure what happened since then to put me where I am now but I'm tired of it right now, just tired. I appreciate the help of everyone here. No, I'm not going out tomorrow to buy a digital projector. I'm not going to do anything for a while.
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jarseneau
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Drop, If you want you can send me your system and OSC boards and I can try them in my 1352 to see if they are the cause of your scramble.
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dropzone7
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| jarseneau wrote: | | Drop, If you want you can send me your system and OSC boards and I can try them in my 1352 to see if they are the cause of your scramble. |
Jerry, I appreciate the offer but I have decided to send these to Curt for a checkout. He has an 852 chassis at his place. I'm anxious to find out if this is the problem as it will determine how I move forward.
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jarseneau
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Drop, sending them to Curt sounds like a good plan. Good luck.
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dropzone7
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I hope I don't jinx myself here but...I believe I have found a system board for my XG and from someone practically in my backyard no less! Now if the ones I sent to Curt checkout okay then I'm really going to loose it.
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MikeEby
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GREAT!!!
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Elaine Benes
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I'll go out on a limb here and place a wager on the fact your system board WON'T check out ok. In fact, I'd guarantee you its pooched. Snap up that system board asap, especially if its reasonably priced. The OSC board, maybe, but the system board, for sure.
About your signal chain...Just by way of info.
I have an HD Fury Gamer Edition which is fed from a Monoprice 4x1 powered switcher with equalizer (this one: http://snipurl.com/23yo8 [www_monoprice_com] ) I have an HD FTA box with HDMI out, a PS3 with HDMI out, HD A1, and DVHS vcr with HDMI out feeding the switcher. The output from the HD Fury Gamer Edition goes to my RTC2200's VGA input for gamma boost, and from there to my NEC ISS for distribution to my ancient Marquee, presentation monitor, and XG1350 that I have on a coffee table. Several times I've noted that something in the chain has given up the connection and sends a scrambled mess of a signal to the displays, they HATE this signal. The monitor flashes a picture on and off, but is otherwise unfazed, the Marquee gives a VSynch error message and doesn't display anything, but the XG tries like crazy to synch to it and almost kills itself trying. I've already had to shut it down, emergency style to take it out of an ever increasing cycle of flashes and squeals as it tries to synch.
I'm not saying that you can do anything about it NOW, but it wouldn't surprise me if the signal chain you have, which is similar to mine save for the switcher at the end, was the culprit in ruining your system board. Specifically, when HDMI connections "go bad", they can go REALLY, REALLY bad, from what I've seen...
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