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Phil Smith
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| voodoo7869 wrote: | | As with curt I am in the process of installing my 3 tubes all came in great shape i will let you know the results once installed. I posted the other day and no one believed me. so oh well. My ebay id is iluvlucy282. the one who left the feedback. |
Nothing personal Voo. You haven't posted much, so it's hard for us to tell how legitimate YOU are. This helps. We know you a little better now.
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Phil Smith
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Yeah, well there is that. BEcause you probably won't be using an ideal surface area if you want to remain within the very slight wear area, someone will indeed bitch and moan and wreck it for the rest of us. |
You make it sound like only a few people would have a problem with those tubes. Personally, I don't think most of us would use tubes with that type of wear. Or if we were using tubes like that, we'd be saving money for better tubes.
The price is good though, and to each his own.
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voodoo7869
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Location: Chicago, IL USA
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look I have been around alot longer than you think go check avs same user name I have been around since about 2005 I don't post much because I work crazy hours..
and I think many of you would use the tubes The ones i recieved you cannot even see a wear patern on the blue and red but it is so slight on green it is almost not visiable.
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CRT_Ben
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| voodoo7869 wrote: | look I have been around alot longer than you think go check avs same user name I have been around since about 2005 I don't post much because I work crazy hours..
and I think many of you would use the tubes The ones i recieved you cannot even see a wear patern on the blue and red but it is so slight on green it is almost not visiable.
here are some pics for you to see what they are like. |
Well they certainly aren't bad, but if you run outside, the wear area, you'll see it. Still, for the price, not bad. Some photoshopping with the brightness/contrast makes the wear much more visible:
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voodoo7869
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I can photoshop anything to make a patern show up that is not the point with the naked eye in sunlight you canhardly see it at all and i doubt you would even see the difference on a full white screen. they would rate about an 8 or better on curts scale. I have tubes worse thatn these by far in my 9500lc now about a 6.5 on curts scale and i was just starting to see a difference in the sky or in fullo white when run off of the normal usage area. lets be serious running a proper setup with appropriate raster size and color settings I will have at least 3-4 k hours of use before i might think of new tubes. To put this into perspective i could watch 4hrs a day every day for the next just about 3 years and then might need new tubes. I know i don't watch nearly that much not even clese might use it once or twice a week at that this will last me years. I will buy a new set to have on hand. but for $900 bucks for a set for that time frame you cannot beat the price. the everage digital bulb only lasts 2k or so and those can be $400+ and not have the quality. (unless you have a really high end one even then the bulb is more expensive fo 2k hours) Lets all be realistic for someone who watches a moderate amount with toast tubes this would be a great buy.
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CRT_Ben
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| voodoo7869 wrote: | | I can photoshop anything to make a patern show up that is not the point with the naked eye in sunlight you canhardly see it at all and i doubt you would even see the difference on a full white screen. they would rate about an 8 or better on curts scale. I have tubes worse thatn these by far in my 9500lc now about a 6.5 on curts scale and i was just starting to see a difference in the sky or in fullo white when run off of the normal usage area. lets be serious running a proper setup with appropriate raster size and color settings I will have at least 3-4 k hours of use before i might think of new tubes. To put this into perspective i could watch 4hrs a day every day for the next just about 3 years and then might need new tubes. I know i don't watch nearly that much not even clese might use it once or twice a week at that this will last me years. I will buy a new set to have on hand. but for $900 bucks for a set for that time frame you cannot beat the price. the everage digital bulb only lasts 2k or so and those can be $400+ and not have the quality. (unless you have a really high end one even then the bulb is more expensive fo 2k hours) Lets all be realistic for someone who watches a moderate amount with toast tubes this would be a great buy. |
Whoa man, slow down. I'm not attacking you, or your purchase, or saying you made a bad decision. I agree 100% that these are a good upgrade for somebody who has toasty tubes, and just can't afford snowy white new ones.
But saying that you cannot see a wear pattern on these tubes is misleading, even without tweaking the B/C in photoshop, I can see the wear on every tube. As for whether you'll see it on screen - well, I've had tubes like this, and it bothers me, but I'm picky. If you run completely inside the wear area you'll be fine, but I wouldn't run it outside.
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voodoo7869
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I know you are not attacking my decision or purchase but like i said most of us would use tubes like this. and tubular outlet is giving a product as good but usually better than discribed the advertise 5 or better and most ar a 7 or so tube wear is so subjective. The picture charts are the best way to compare. (without photoshoping) The tubes on curts chart are not photoshoped. That is the best way to compare that is all i am saying.
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Phil Smith
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| CRT_Ben wrote: | | Well they certainly aren't bad, but if you run outside, the wear area, you'll see it. Still, for the price, not bad. Some photoshopping with the brightness/contrast makes the wear much more visible: |
Good job Ben!
Having had tubes with 4:3 wear before, I can attest from personal experience that you will see the transition from worn phosphor to virgin phosphor because the color balance will be different in both areas. Nothing you can do other than keep the picture inside the worn area will change that.
Voo,
Really, most of us would not use tubes like that. We have CRT PJs because of the great pic they throw. A pic with visible phosphor wear transitions kind of defeats the purpose.
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draganm
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| Phil Smith wrote: | Voo,
Really, most of us would not use tubes like that. We have CRT PJs because of the great pic they throw. A pic with visible phosphor wear transitions kind of defeats the purpose. |
for $900., i would would happily install and use a set of LUG's in that condition. I also agree with Curt though, the condition of the gun and G2 levels is very important to me. I will wait until Curt reports back on that.
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Phil Smith
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Wow! Well I wouldn't. To each his own.
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draganm
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| Phil Smith wrote: | | Wow! Well I wouldn't. To each his own. |
give me a break Phil, since when have you become such a perfectionist. If i'm not mistaken you ran your G70 for years with a misconvergence problem that didn't go away until you replaced the DC board. now, a slight bit of shading on what are normally VERY expensive 9" Lugs is all of sudden taboo? 
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Phil Smith
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It would converge. It was just a lot of extra work, and it would drift, which made me have to touch it up frequently. I certainly didn't like it, but I didn't know what the problem was, and there really isn't anyone to troubleshoot a G70, so there was no way to resolve it. I fixed it by accident. If you're having G70 convergence problems, it very well could be the DC board.
I guess it really depends on how bad the wear is. Only the blue tube in my original G70 had light, but very visible 4:3 wear. The green and red had no wear. It was very noticeable in the picture. Maybe the Lugs will be ok. Personally I would guess they wouldn't.
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voodoo7869
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I aggreee with draganm especially as far as the guns are concerned that is more important than anything else in a used tube yes having snow white tubes is wonderful but if the guns are crap you will be left with junk. I will post a of g2 and drive levels after the swap is done. as well as some screenshots.
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CRT_Ben
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All I'm trying to establish is the expectations for those who are looking to buy these tubes - and the harsh fact that phosphor wear doesn't even have to be visible to been seen on screen (ask Curt) - however, pick tubes with a large wear area (as you have), and run the image within the wear area, and you'll be all set.
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ncc1701d
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now there are: 180DYB22 tubes?? That must be a misspelling? Should it not be DVB?
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Clarence
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draganm
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| CRT_Ben wrote: | | All I'm trying to establish is the expectations for those who are looking to buy these tubes - and the harsh fact that phosphor wear doesn't even have to be visible to been seen on screen (ask Curt) - |
well you do make a good point. Can you imagine doing all the work to install these, gluing all tubes 3 into marquee plates, new bellows, $100. worth of Glycol, and then finding out the wear pattern is actually enough to be distracting in a movie? Man that would  suck
Voodoo if you could be so kind as to post of an all-white field after your fnished that would be great.
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voodoo7869
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no problem I just a few minutes ago glued them to the housing. I will need to wait till tomarrow for the silicone to cure then I will fill the gap. that will take a couple of days to cure so in a week i can post a full white screenshot. I will set the projector as level as possiable (least amount of keystone and max out the raster for an un adultrated view.
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AnalogRocks
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How's the silicone VooDoo? Dry enuff to take some screen shots?
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voodoo7869
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I am reinsatlling the tubes now I should have it up and running tomarrow i think if not wed. I have filled all of the chambers checking for leaks and modding the neck cards. I will be done soon.
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