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Mark_A_W
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| GREG1292 wrote: | My suburban 5.7litre has no problem sucking the gas. 87.00 yesterday to fill up  But I need it for a family of 6  |
My wife's 3.5 litre Mitsubish Magna Wagon is a 7 seater - she uses it to drive her sister + total of 4 kids around. Does the job no problem, although it's a bit thirsty for my liking.
I'd like to convert it to gas (LPG).
I've been in a Suburban - in Hawaii. Nobody "needs" a Suburban. You really need a delivery van or a people mover 
$87 is about $100 Aussie....ouch. I have put A$70 in the Magna, but our petrol is more expensive than yours (about US$1.35 a litre).
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Person99
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | | GREG1292 wrote: | | My suburban 5.7litre has no problem sucking the gas. 87.00 yesterday to fill up But I need it for a family of 6 |
My wife's 3.5 litre Mitsubish Magna Wagon is a 7 seater - she uses it to drive her sister + total of 4 kids around. Does the job no problem, although it's a bit thirsty for my liking.
I'd like to convert it to gas (LPG).
I've been in a Suburban - in Hawaii. Nobody "needs" a Suburban. You really need a delivery van or a people mover
$87 is about $100 Aussie....ouch. I have put A$70 in the Magna, but our petrol is more expensive than yours (about US$1.35 a litre). |
This is quite true, there are a number of much more fuel efficient vehicles that can haul 6 people. Having a suburban is really a choice--a selfish and ultimately self destructive choice, but a choice.
Of course, so it having 4 kids.  Doing something more reasonable like having no more than replacing yourselves leads to even more potential gas savings. (Of course, the exception here is that if many or all of the 4 are adopted kids that no one else wanted and not ones that you had, then there is really the only moral limit is what you can reasonably afford.)
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Mark_A_W
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:11 am Post subject: |
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They aren't all my kids, 2 each family. 2 is below replacement.
2 kids and no more than 2 for me!
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:50 am Post subject: |
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Gary,
Good for you! Clark Howard has always said that your house should be your rock and you should try to own it outright.
I guess if someone needed to haul a bunch of people around a minivan would be a wiser investment. My Astro gets 20mpg on the highway. I would love to see a 2.5 liter V6 with Honda's integrated assist as an option. I could probably go to 30 mpg on the highway. I think we are going to move to more fuel efficient cars in the future. BMW was experimenting with replacing gasoline in their autos with hydrogen and still using an internal combustion engine. It would take a big change in infrastructure though.
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deronmoped
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:46 am Post subject: |
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Why does everyone focus on saving a few bucks at the pump.
The number three thing, on the list of things that will kill you and your family is, a auto accident. I would thing it would be much smarter to surround yourself with as much metal as possible. They say as gas mileage has gone up so has the number of deaths. I have roll cages built into two of my cars just to give me a little added protection.
Next time you are asking the salesman about that new car, ask for the option that will let you walk away from a major accident before you look at the gas mileage sticker.
Deron.
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Dave Lister
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| deronmoped wrote: | Why does everyone focus on saving a few bucks at the pump.
The number three thing, on the list of things that will kill you and your family is, a auto accident. I would thing it would be much smarter to surround yourself with as much metal as possible. They say as gas mileage has gone up so has the number of deaths. I have roll cages built into two of my cars just to give me a little added protection.
Next time you are asking the salesman about that new car, ask for the option that will let you walk away from a major accident before you look at the gas mileage sticker.
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As the oil runs out and gets more expensive you will start to see why this is not a good idea, when it does run out (and it will soon) you will then realise how wasteful everybody has been over the last 50 or so years.
It is an unfortunate fact that there is a finite amount of oil and we are faster and faster running out of it, if you think there will be a magic replacement for it 'just around the corner' then you are wrong!
The change over to new technologies should have started 50 years ago, it is now too late, nobody wants to pay the cost and any technology that could have been used has been hidden away.
Make no mistake, we are in for a disaster, once fuel hits $10 per litre (in any currency) there will be FAR more crime and likely anarchy.
The more fuel costs, the more everything costs, once people are starving because they cannot afford food they will do anything to eat.
This is the reality we are facing!
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Mark_A_W
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| deronmoped wrote: | Why does everyone focus on saving a few bucks at the pump.
The number three thing, on the list of things that will kill you and your family is, a auto accident. I would thing it would be much smarter to surround yourself with as much metal as possible. They say as gas mileage has gone up so has the number of deaths. I have roll cages built into two of my cars just to give me a little added protection.
Next time you are asking the salesman about that new car, ask for the option that will let you walk away from a major accident before you look at the gas mileage sticker.
Deron. |
Umm...what are the number 1 and 2 things??
And 4WD/SUVs are amongst the most dangerous vehicles for the occupants, not the safest. They ROLL OVER and everybody dies. Kinda Darwinian actually.
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unkyjoesa
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Right now in the USA the high fuel prices are starting to trickle down.
New Housing Starts - tanked
Foreclosures - Out of control
This has now affected all industries in this country, food, new goods, clothing prices etc. Just took a little longer than I expected.
THe latest reports yesterday were food prices, both purchased off the shelf and in resteraunts have increased by %20.
People are late on credit card, car payments, home mortgages. Christmas sales were low.
Inflation is now as high as it was 17 years ago.
$4 a gallon gas is due by the end of the year or sooner.
I see a deep recession in our future, and we need to change our views on consumption.
It is costing our family of two about $320 per month just to drive into the city for work, Thats double what it was last year. Both cars get 20-30mpg.
We have all know this was coming, we bury our heads in the sand hoping it will solve itself, "Or the GOVT will solve it for us  "
But that being said, this country will take its lumps and collectively we will find the solution to the problem, it will simply take time and sacrifice. In the end this country will do what it needs to secure its supply of energy, the military will make sure of that. It will drive research to find the energy it needs to maintain the status quo.
And hopefully we will come out of it with a learning experience and a change of attitudes.
Heres hoping we will.
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ronholm
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark_A_W wrote: |
And 4WD/SUVs are amongst the most dangerous vehicles for the occupants, not the safest. They ROLL OVER and everybody dies. Kinda Darwinian actually. |
yawn... Just put 90 bucks in the tank... Made how much again off of the last tank????
Yeah.. What I need is a battery powered go kart to haul tools and materials in... 
Well gota go.. My 10MPG work truck is calling me.. Hope I don't kill myself on the way to the job. (It is snowed and I have 7000lbs on the trailer)
Wait... did somebody say something about ... ahhh never mind...
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Mark_A_W
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| unkyjoesa wrote: | In the end this country will do what it needs to secure its supply of energy, the military will make sure of that. It will drive research to find the energy it needs to maintain the status quo.
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Or it will just take it from everyone else. That's what your military is for.
Sorry, I realise this wasn't what you meant in your post, but that's how the rest of the world sees it.
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Mark_A_W
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| ronholm wrote: | | Mark_A_W wrote: |
And 4WD/SUVs are amongst the most dangerous vehicles for the occupants, not the safest. They ROLL OVER and everybody dies. Kinda Darwinian actually. |
yawn... Just put 90 bucks in the tank... Made how much again off of the last tank????
Yeah.. What I need is a battery powered go kart to haul tools and materials in...
Well gota go.. My 10MPG work truck is calling me.. Hope I don't kill myself on the way to the job. (It is snowed and I have 7000lbs on the trailer)
Wait... did somebody say something about ... ahhh never mind... |
Look! Ron's back.
If you have 3.2 tonnes to move, then you do need a truck. Suitable transport.
But not if you have to take 4 kids to soccer, then you need a Tarago.
But how are you going to go when it costs you $300 to fill your tank?
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | VDC just jacked up the price of new 9" tubes to $1650, so don't expect the price of high end sets to come down any time soon. |
We should get someone in China to make them for $250 and accept the lead content. 
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | | And 4WD/SUVs are amongst the most dangerous vehicles for the occupants, not the safest. They ROLL OVER and everybody dies. Kinda Darwinian actually. |
Save the Darwin remarks, Mark. If I wanted to be a prick, I could make some sh*tty remark about how stupid people are to drive little tiny lightweight cars knowing full well they could be run over by a much larger vehicle, too. To me, it doesn't seem too bright to drive a compact car but... whatever. You can drive whatever you want. Unlike you and others, I can resist the impulse to tell you what you should and shouldn't drive.
But, I digress... You left out the important part of the statistic on SUV rollovers. People die in SUV rollovers when they don't wear seat belts - usually because they fly out the window and are crushed by the vehicle or are flung around inside and suffer traumatic neck, spine and head injury. People actually die in car rollovers over for the same reason! But, since car rollovers are much less common (duh), we talk about the SUV instead of talking about the real problem - which is people not wearing their seat belts. Lots of people die in cars because they didn't wear their seat belts, too.
You can talk statistics all you want, but aggregate statistics rarely apply to individual situations. Personally, I can drive - probably better than 90% of those on the road with me. I'm not a professional, but I have training and a lot of experience high-speed driving, evasive maneuvers, and even some racing. So, I'm not exaggerating when I say that it's others' driving I'm worried about - not my own. In my case, it's MUCH more likely that someone else is going to hit me, not the other way around. So, I'll take my H3 over a small car, thank you very much. That way, when some 19-year old girl with her cell phone in one hand and a cigarette in the other blows through a red light and rear-ends or broadsides me, I'll walk away with away with my little girl in one arm and the my little boy in the other, and we'll go home and watch a movie instead of having our lives ruined in a stupid car accident.
I'll take my SUV and I'll gladly spend a little more money on gas to know my family is safer for it - that is, if zealots like you don't get them outlawed or something.
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Mark_A_W
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Blah blah blah.
It's only AMERICANS who don't wear seatbelts.
Got a gun rack mounted on your Hummer yet?
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | Blah blah blah.
It's only AMERICANS who don't wear seatbelts.
Got a gun rack mounted on your Hummer yet? |
BIG B.S. have you ever been to South America?
No one wears a seat belt there.
Have you been to Venezuela? They have so many SUV's there you'd probably have a cow.
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unkyjoesa
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Mark,
And before us it was the Brits.
Before them the church.
Before that the Romans.
Ah the old America is the demon, I agree we should perhaps try and spend less time involved in other countries affairs, but last time we as a country buried our heads in the sand it resulted in two world wars, one of which my Father fought in.
Europe has an older richer history than the US, as does the rest of the world, but lets face the fact that after the end of WWII it was the US that rebuilt europe, stood up against the soviets for a former enemy "Germany" and helped the Brits through lend lease and eventually american lives in its defense. Name another country that has done that.
Dont forget the number of selfless american boys buried in Europe defending those countries rights to exist. Europe and the rest of the world owe the US nothing but a little respect.
That being said, the US is not perfect, and never will be, but it is the reason most of the world today is free.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | Blah blah blah.
It's only AMERICANS who don't wear seatbelts.
Got a gun rack mounted on your Hummer yet? |
Wow. You went from proposing that those who drive SUV's somehow should die because they're genetically inferior (which is complete bull****), to then implying that Americans are the only people who don't wear seat belts (which is also complete bull****), to then trying to insult me by asking me if I had a gun rack in my Hummer (apparently regurgitating the moronic stereotype that anybody who drives a truck with a gun rack must be stupid (yet more complete bull****).
As usual, most of what you write is complete and utter bull****. All the while, you honestly think you're intellectually superior to anyone who doesn't BUY said bull****.
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ronholm
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | Blah blah blah.
It's only AMERICANS who don't wear seatbelts.
Got a gun rack mounted on your Hummer yet? |
Shoot Mark I never went anywhere... You started some other thread looking for a fight with me and then never showed.. Now your buddy Chris has tried to carry some of the water fur ya... but it seems he has run'ed away also.
Actually I tend to agree with you Mark that you don't need a 6500lb gas hog to carry the kids to soccer.. But.. it is really all about efficiency.. GM, Furd, ect all are trying to get a piece of the commercial market. Nothing beats the time tested "truck" platform.. So you have all this machinery online to pump out these things... How hard is it to stick in some leather seats and a bose sound system and then convince Joe Blow he really has something really neat...
But whatever. The H2 is still really stupid... It is to heavy to make a truly effective offroad machine.. Not to mention it has all kinds of off road related problems that a standard truck platform doesn't have... Not to mention the things piss me off because well my word is "Fuax HMMVWE". (humvee) All this show and flash used to mimic a vehicle that is tough, but really come on... The military HMMVWE's are plagued by a POS 6.5L GM diesel that was recalled in the consumer trucks put on the market.. The only thing nice about the powerplant is that it uses the Pontiac engine mounting points making a 455 big block a direct swap... They are OK... But really... talk to some military guys about the "humvee" LMAO...
Oh well with all that said I still kinda like the H3... I dunno why...
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But how are you going to go when it costs you $300 to fill your tank? |
In my small fleet of vehicles for my business.. (3 trucks at the moment) I spent damn near 1800 bucks on fuel in December. And it doesn't bother me a bit.. It figures right in the the P/L and is not even really a concern to me. If that number doubled I would be fine, There are so many others costs that effect my business, that I can control.
Don't worry 'bout what we are going to do here in the U.S. when the oil supply runs short... We know where the oil is and will just takeover the countries when we need it.. remember ? 
Oh and if you really want to drive a LP powered vehicle.... I could set you right up.. One of my friends has a dodge van (1980's) powered by LP....
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Right now in the USA the high fuel prices are starting to trickle down.
New Housing Starts - tanked
Foreclosures - Out of control |
Now blaming the foreclosures and the drop in new housing starts on fuel seems like a stretch to me.. My opinion is that foreclosures are up because folks didn't have enough impulse control to force themselves to only buy what they could afford.. they just said.. "Ohhh Shiny" and then bit... This is an education problem that at the core has little to do with money, or the economy...
My opinion of the New housing starts is that the same stupid ass loans that put Joe Blow into a house he couldn't afford put Joe Blow " I gona be a builder" into the construction business. "Oh look at how easy it is to build a house, and citi group will loan me da cash" .. Yeah.. So one day a million of these goofballs wake up and decide to frign flood the market with a bunch of shiny looking dumps.. The nice part about this is that it will keep me in repair work for years... I just sold job this afternoon... Re-siding/trimming a 4 yr old 350,000 dollar home... All the problems related to poor installation practices..
So lets not say the "new housing starts" are tanking.. Lets say that we are cleaning some of the trash out of industry after some jackass's went out and flooded the market with overpriced piles of crapp.. All this based on some wacky idea that a "housing boom" would continue until eternity, when what seems to be the truth is now supply has exceeded demand.
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| ecrabb wrote: | All the while, you honestly think you're intellectually superior to anyone who doesn't BUY said bull****.
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Hey... Let him think it.. It makes duh game mur fun...
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unkyjoesa
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:46 am Post subject: |
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Ronholm,
If you think that going from $1.00 a gallon gas to $3 a gallon gas has no affect on individual finances you are sadly mistaken.
Say you are spending $100 a month for gas.
Now you are paying $300 a month for gas.
That doesnt affect budgets? Especially those living paycheck to paycheck.
Fuel prices affect every sector of business in this country, it affects electricity prices, the cost to transport all goods etc.
And those spending too much money allready are deeply affected.
I am just as guilty as others for spending outside of my means at times, but for those allready stretched the price of fuel is the first punch, then the cost of goods going up becuase of increased transportation costs affects everyone eventually, it is just a matter of how much it affects them.
THanks for listening.
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