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I had a thought about high gain screens

 
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:49 am    Post subject: I had a thought about high gain screens

I know to get the benefit of high gain material a Tarus type curved screen is preferred but what if instead of building the monster curved screen you layed the high gain screen material flat and bounced the projector of a curved mirror?

Would this defuse the hot spotting?

I'm thinking backwards today and this just occurred to me.

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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:48 am    Post subject:

I don't think so. The hot spotting has to do with the angle at which the light leaves the screen. The torus directs light from the corners back at the viewers rather than to the sides, which reduces hot spotting. In actuality, the entire screen is a hot spot, but it is uniform. If you don't curve the screen, you will still get hot spotting. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:52 pm    Post subject:

Yeah that's what I was thinking, however I thought if you sent the light in at an angle and it bounced back at a different angle then what would happen?
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject:

Short answer: whatever yer smokin', AR, I want some. Laughing

Longer answer: no. What nautikal says is right. The curved screen reflects the light back to your eye. A curved mirror like you're talking about would just cause the light to spread out over a larger area (with a concave mirror) or a smaller area (with a convex mirror). Then the flat screen would work the same as it always does -- it would be roughly equivalent to moving the projector farther away (concave) or closer (convex). See the below pic for a comparison of flat screen, curved screen, and curved (concave) mirror.



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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:35 am    Post subject:

garyfritz wrote:
Short answer: whatever yer smokin', AR, I want some. Laughing

Longer answer: no. What nautikal says is right. The curved screen reflects the light back to your eye. A curved mirror like you're talking about would just cause the light to spread out over a larger area (with a concave mirror) or a smaller area (with a convex mirror). Then the flat screen would work the same as it always does -- it would be roughly equivalent to moving the projector farther away (concave) or closer (convex). See the below pic for a comparison of flat screen, curved screen, and curved (concave) mirror.


Actually I was thinking of a concave mirror, point the PJ away from the screen, bounce of the concave mirror and onto the screen. Similar to your fig.3 there but square to the screen.
You'd have to move it closer to fit the screen. If you had some 4.0 screen material up there and did this wouldn't the light come off the mirror and difuse the hot spot? The idea of the curved screen is to spread the hot spot across it, would the curved mirror do this instead?


OR is my mind stuck in sdrawkcab land?

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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject:

AnalogRocks wrote:
garyfritz wrote:
Short answer: whatever yer smokin', AR, I want some. Laughing

Longer answer: no. What nautikal says is right. The curved screen reflects the light back to your eye. A curved mirror like you're talking about would just cause the light to spread out over a larger area (with a concave mirror) or a smaller area (with a convex mirror). Then the flat screen would work the same as it always does -- it would be roughly equivalent to moving the projector farther away (concave) or closer (convex). See the below pic for a comparison of flat screen, curved screen, and curved (concave) mirror.


Actually I was thinking of a concave mirror, point the PJ away from the screen, bounce of the concave mirror and onto the screen. Similar to your fig.3 there but square to the screen.
You'd have to move it closer to fit the screen. If you had some 4.0 screen material up there and did this wouldn't the light come off the mirror and difuse the hot spot? The idea of the curved screen is to spread the hot spot across it, would the curved mirror do this instead?


OR is my mind stuck in sdrawkcab land?


Have you ever heard of "junk in junk out?"


The more gain=closer to a mirror. The more you end up with 3 angles of light coming in, 3 angles of light going off the screen. Which equals hot spots of different colors depending on the angle you are sitting from the screen compared to the source.

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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject:

GIGO yep.

What about the retroreflective screen? They sound pretty cool. Makes me wana project onto a school crossing sign to see what happens.

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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:53 am    Post subject: one of the really big advantages of a torus is

that it rejects ambient light far better than a flat screen or a screen curved in only one axis.

like nautikal said.........the entire screen is one big uniform hotspot.

and the other thing about torus is that it -really- makes things look 3d for some reason.

i remember my first torus and having the windows98 -pipes- screensaver on and walking around the corner into the theater and flinching/ducking when the pipes came at me!! :O lololololololol

a drawback that may or may not be a problem has to do with the way a torus also directs sound back at the audience.

but this has a lot to do with how much curve and what the room is like and where the viewers are etc.

in my situation it was not a problem when viewing but would echo a conversation if you were standing closely in front of it.

the next screen im building in the very near future is going to be a torus with boc.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:10 am    Post subject:

I am still in the process of getting my Wilsonart D354-60, I thought I had it nailed down 2 weeks ago but they screwed up my order again. I've been playing phone tag with the lady at the store for 2 weeks.

I'd like to try a torus but with my luck I'd order the material's and then see them someitme next milenium.

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