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CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 4269 Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
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| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| betel wrote: | | CIR Engineering wrote: | | tschibui wrote: |
Hi ya all,
just ordered tha latest moome IFB Board and was just wandering about you writing "It is also 3D ready" ... are you refering
to watching movies with 720p at 120 Hz to use shutter glasses ?
Has anybody watched 3D material over a CRT, and if so which variant ?
Thanks for your reply in advance.
so long
tschibui |
Yes, I am talking about shutter glasses. I think all the card will need to do for 3D is support resolutions and frequencies that will work with 3D.
It looks like 3D will be coming in at 1080p 48Hz off of BD. To properly render 3D I think you will need an even multiple at 2x or 4x of 48 Hz, so I am not sure that 120 Hz will be a good refresh rate for 3D. I am planning to first try 1080i @ 96 Hz. If I don't like that, I will try a custom down rez of 1080 in a progressive flavor.
craigr |
Craig,
The way I understand how 3D works is a separate image is displayed for each eye. The glasses simply filter the image so you only see one image per eye. Therefore, 48HZ is a 96HZ refresh (2 images @ 48Hz = 96Hz). I understand for 2D, 48Hz is not so good. Maybe our brains will handle the 3D image differently and 48Hz will look okay.
I should be receiving the upgraded card in a couple of days and am interested in your results.
Please keep us posted. |
96 Hz is 96 Hz.
1080p 3D will be 48 Hz progressive. We are just going to interlace the progressive and then double the refresh rate to reduce flicker. There may still be some flicker, so we'll have to see.
craigr
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CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 4269 Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
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| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| betel wrote: | Mr. Moome confirmed my IFB-FullHD V2 card will be upgraded to include the following:
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So you can use remote button “c” to active BBF and 16-235
And we also add manual select input color space:
Button “4” , the IFB will auto select input color space
Button “5”, the IFB will force select YCbCr 444
Button “6”, the IFB will force select YCbCr 422
Button “7”, the IFB will force select RGB 444
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I think this reflects what Craig mentioned. |
Yep, that's the new FW. You should have all the latest features.
craigr
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betel
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 448 Location: Maryville, Tennessee (Just South of Knoxville)
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| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Craig.
Originally, I did have a V1 card but sold it after I purchased a V2 card from another forum member. Actually the same person I purchased the second G90 from. He had a first run V2 card purchased late Sept. '09 but never installed it. I thought the only difference from current level was the BW improvement (implemented by MP) but it turned out there is also a firmware update needed so the 16-235 BBF mode can be selected. Initially I thought the first run V2 included the 16-235 BBF mode but now I think that was added later in firmware so a charge to add is expected.
As noted previously, Moome is also is making a hardware change to force color space input so the card I receive should be at the latest level. I think the extra $150 is really for the hardware change and I am okay with that. Sorry for the confusion.
It would be helpful if a chart were prepared to show the evolutionary changes for the Moome IFB card. I think I understand them now but would not attempt to document them here because I may be mistaken.
If there is a blend feature, it must be for a future revision since Moome did not mention it to me. That feature would not be useful to me anyway. As for as the second HDMI port's usefulness, I was of course only refereing to my application which I think is typical of most users. As an installer/calibrator, I can certainly see why you find the second input useful.
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CIR Engineering
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| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| betel wrote: | Hey Craig.
Originally, I did have a V1 card but sold it after I purchased a V2 card from another forum member. Actually the same person I purchased the second G90 from. He had a first run V2 card purchased late Sept. '09 but never installed it. |
Ah, that's right, I think you had mentioned that.
| betel wrote: | | I thought the only difference from current level was the BW improvement (implemented by MP) but it turned out there is also a firmware update needed so the 16-235 BBF mode can be selected. Initially I thought the first run V2 included the 16-235 BBF mode but now I think that was added later in firmware so a charge to add is expected. As noted previously, Moome is also is making a hardware change to force color space input so the card I receive should be at the latest level. I think the extra $150 is really for the hardware change and I am okay with that. Sorry for the confusion. |
There are a lot of FW's floating around. The latest one is the best as it has ALL the features. I think there are at least three earlier ones that found their way into the aether.
Upgrading the FW on these requires removal and replacement of a large SM chip with many pins. The BW improvements also require no less than six SM components to be mess around with. There are quite a few other hardware changes between the three versions (v1, v2, and v2new).
craigr
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ilias
Joined: 20 Apr 2007 Posts: 116
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Wondering for MOOME CARD for the centering of the picture, the HDFury have the picture 15 cm left, and not fix!!!
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CIR Engineering
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| ilias wrote: | | Wondering for MOOME CARD for the centering of the picture, the HDFury have the picture 15 cm left, and not fix!!! |
Go into the service menu and center the image.
craigr
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jarseneau
Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 323 Location: WI
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Not stating a problem but rather an observation in the setup of this card on a G90..
When I first installed the HDMI card I would get black horizontal bands that flickered across the screen. Tried various input settings involving sync and none would fix it. I finally changed the CLAMP setting in the input menu from AUTO to H/C and 'viola!', all was well. In searching the threads I saw reference to this concerning 1080p but I'm running 1080i or sometimes 720p.
I'm just wondering if this matches what everbody else has to set or is this only a G90 concern. The other reason I'm bringing this up is in case somebody else is struggling with the setup.
Once it was running, the card has been very impressive for both image detail and color resolution.
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 18114 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hi guys!
Moome emailed me wondering if there are any features or requests customers would like to see added or changed in his Sony IFB-FULLHD HDMI card. Do any of you have any "Gee, I wish this card did this or that!" type features that you would like to see added? If yes, post here! Moome will take any and all suggestions under advisement.
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betel
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 448 Location: Maryville, Tennessee (Just South of Knoxville)
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose on screen display would be helpful.
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moome
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| betel wrote: | | I suppose on screen display would be helpful. |
yes~~ but for datasheet, is it enough to let you know how to use IFB-FULLHD V2?
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cinema mad
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Dear Moome,
EDID Support For DTS Master Audio and Dolby True-HD would be good
for End users that want to use A HDMI splitter from the Blu-Ray Player
so the Video chain can remain sepret/as pure as possable but still allow the HD Audio codecs to pass into the Pre Pro..
Instead of passing the Video through the Pre-Pro
as Some HDMI pass through degrade the Pics/Contain bugs Especialy older onkyo when
Passing RGB...
Cheers...
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cinema mad
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Moome,
I mentioned this before but will post it again here,
The Full-HD Vim V2 Manual notes on page 5, : Key C (output range 16-235 with black boost) Black boost Function..
The Sony Full-HD V2 Manual doesnt make mention of this important function ?..
But the Sony V2 Card does indeed have the Black boost Function as described in the Vim Manual..
You and I both use this Function with our Sony G's ...
Cheers...
got it~~~ we will update the datasheet for this~~~
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moome
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| cinema mad wrote: | Dear Moome,
EDID Support For DTS Master Audio and Dolby True-HD would be good
for End users that want to use A HDMI splitter from the Blu-Ray Player
so the Video chain can remain sepret/as pure as possable but still allow the HD Audio codecs to pass into the Pre Pro..
Instead of passing the Video through the Pre-Pro
as Some HDMI pass through degrade the Pics/Contain bugs Especialy older onkyo when
Passing RGB...
Cheers... |
thanks, we will modify this part~~
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CherieKu
Joined: 28 Jul 2010 Posts: 1 Location: Marin County, CA
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How can I reprogram the EDID memory on the IFB board for my G90 with my own custom resolutions?
I am running Windows 7 on my HTPC with an ATI HD-5570 display card. I've tried using an EDID override, but Windows 7 absolutely refuses to allow refresh rates for HDTV resolutions greater than that reported by the monitor's EDID data.
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| CherieKu wrote: | How can I reprogram the EDID memory on the IFB board for my G90 with my own custom resolutions?
I am running Windows 7 on my HTPC with an ATI HD-5570 display card. I've tried using an EDID override, but Windows 7 absolutely refuses to allow refresh rates for HDTV resolutions greater than that reported by the monitor's EDID data. |
How about the program powerstrip?
I hear thats what most HTPC guys use.
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cinema mad
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| kal wrote: | Hi guys!
Moome emailed me wondering if there are any features or requests customers would like to see added or changed in his Sony IFB-FULLHD HDMI card. Do any of you have any "Gee, I wish this card did this or that!" type features that you would like to see added? If yes, post here! Moome will take any and all suggestions under advisement.
Kal | Maybe adding A 3.5mm plug socket to The New Moome internal cards
allowing for an optional IR target extention or IR Extention to be added away from the Projector/Moome Card for more reliable/ easier adjustment with the remote control..
Especially usefull with Ceiling mounted Projectors and Projectors mounted in Hush boxes..
Cheers...
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moome
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:37 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your purchase IFB-FULLHD/VIM-FULLHD
we will reversion the IFB-FULLHD and need your opinion on TOSLINK
do you think you need TOSLINK on IFB-FULLHD?
we will add 3D glasses interface and remove TOSLINK due to not enough space for board.
let us know your advise
Thanks and regards
Moome
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kal Forum Administrator
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Introducing the new HTU adapter for the Sony VPH-D50HTU CRT projecor!
For years now Moome has developed high end HDMI input add-on cards for Sony CRT projectors, such as the currently available IFB-FULLHD v2.
The Sony VPH-D50HTU projector has never been able to take advantage of these cards as it does not have an IFB slot. This now changes with the introduction of the new HTU adapter.
The HTU adapter allows any of Moome's Sony HDMI input cards to be added to the Sony VPH-D50HTU projector. It's available separately or bundled with the newest IFB-FULLHD v2 HDMI card.
Use this combination with your Sony VPH-D50HTU and enjoy the following benefits:
- Two HDMI 1.3 inputs with remote control for input selection.
- Full 14bit data path with high end 14bit Video DAC.
- Gamma adjustment via remote.
- Manual selection of colour space (advanced feature).
- 100% compatible with the Sony VPH-D50HTU or MK II CRT projector.
- Easy installation: Simply replace the original input B QB card.
The standalone price of the HTU adapter is $89, or bundle it together with the IFB-FULLHD v2 HDMI card for only $10 more than the standard IFB-FULLHD v2 price. Worldwide shipping with tracking included.
The HTU adapter is available for immediate order and starts shipping on October 20, 2010.
To order see: http://www.curtpalme.com/IFB-FULLHD.shtm
Kal
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_in_peace_
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I have som trouble this day.
When i last calibrated the CRT i have put the Moome on max (100) for gamma
And now today when i hit 100 the gamma pops up to it.
How do i prevent it to loose this setting? Can i not cut the main power for the Projector every night with Moome?
Thank's
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moome
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| _in_peace_ wrote: | I have som trouble this day.
When i last calibrated the CRT i have put the Moome on max (100) for gamma
And now today when i hit 100 the gamma pops up to it.
How do i prevent it to loose this setting? Can i not cut the main power for the Projector every night with Moome?
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you need press up/down to let gamma value auto saved. the 100 and 0 key is just for calibration use only.
press these two key will not save gamma value~~~
thanks
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