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rabies_70 · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject:

Package from Mr Moome arrived today Twisted Evil

I wish I had free time to set it up right now.....

**kal** · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject:

Got this email from Moome today:

hlmiii · Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 12

I received my card yesterday afternoon (Tuesday, 10/27/09). It was installed to replace the prior version from last year, which was itself an "upgrade" from Moome's first Sony card.

Reference: (source) > Lumagen Radiance > G-90 @ 1080p 60Hz.

The new card is a definite and noticeable improvement. The most obvious difference is the reduced noise - the existence of which wasn't apparent until made (in)visible by the new card. Along with that is an image with improved resolution and better-defined contrast transitions. My guess is that these latter two improvements are due to faster step response (?). White - black dynamic range is also increased.

In short the card provides the improvements as claimed in its product descriptions. I was hesitant to believe and see improvement - and spend money yet again on the same general product. But now having seen the results I am very happy with Moome's effort in reworking his previous product and would definitely classify it as worth every penny.

Highly recommended. Thanks.

JohnHWman · Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:55 am Post subject:

I agree with hlmiii,

Received my card yesterday and installed it right away inside my VPH-G90 PJ after removing the older IFB-FULLHD card from the B slot.

Reference : HTPC or Oppo BDP-83 > DVDO VP50Pro (Y/Pr/Pb 4:4:4 ITU 709) > Blue Jean BJC2 7m HDMI cable > G90 @ 1080p50 (PAL DVD) or 1080p48 (Blu-ray/HD-DVD) on 3m wide 16/9 AR screen

I've setuped the card like this :
- Input Link0
- 'B' mode [0-255] dynamic digital input range
- 100% Gamma

G90 brightness = 50
G90 Contrast = 70

Tested with the High définition Benchmark blu-ray Disc from Spears and Munsil. I've used the low level test patterns (with BTB infos) and the improvment on video noise figure is clearly seen.
Sharpness improvement on the picture is not obvious for me but this is maybe because I'm only using 'low' 120MHz pixelclock resolutions (and not 145MHz pixelclock like 1080p60).

Video Noise improvment is the key feature for me.

John

CIR Engineering · Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject:

JohnHWman · Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:03 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the in-depth report Craig,

This is disappointing Shocked

since I thought that, at least, the VBW improvment made by you and MP was in fact included in this new revision. That's the reason why I didn't noticed any sharpness inprovment even in 1080p48/120MHz mode... Thumbs Down

I also noticed that something wrong was shown with the BTB info but I was suspecting problem with the test pattern I've been using. I will retest this aspect together with WTW with another test pattern to confirm.

Later then

John

**kal** · Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject:

Huh ?????

Very odd indeed that Moome would not include these new features as he specifically states the he did in the manual! See the third page of the manual here: http://www.curtpalme.com/docs/ifb_fullhd_v20.pdf

WTS · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 1276 Location: Calgary

Hi Craig,

With regards to the Moome board, the new filter ( if he used it on these boards)should be passing 1080p/60 with no problems. The only thing I can think of is that he used the wrong components and it is filtering to a lower freq. Correct me if I'm wrong but the 1080P/60 is BW limited (brick walled) to 60 Mhz and this filter should be passing easliy up to 80Mhz or higher. I don't know offhand what the exact corner freq. that Moome finally went with on these. On your filter mod what was/is the corner freq?
Hmm this isn't good if it's cutting it off too soon.

My mistake, the max filter BW required for 1080P/60 is 75Mhz, this is according to Analog Devices AN944, for some reason TI's paper on this states 60Mhz.

WTS · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 1276 Location: Calgary

As for the level 16, do you have it set to 0 to 255 and not 16 to 235, I don't mean to insult you on this question but the led should be off when it is in the 0 to255 mode.

moome · Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Posts: 497

Dear Craig:
for filter, I will check with factory again,
and for BTB and WTW, there is a notice: (I am sorry I think I need improve this on the datasheet)

YCbCr 444/422 16-235 input , you can use A or B on remote (A will has BTB and WTW output )
RGB 444 16-235 input , you can also use A or B on remote (A will has BTB and WTW output )
RGB 444 0-255 input , you need let card stay A (press B will get crash picture)

I think I use wrong word "super white support", super white function on my card means the card will expand 16-235 to 0-255 to get more DAC range usage. maybe it should tag as range expand function.
and actual superwhite define by video industry function means WTW
so if you want to see BTB and WTW, it will let card stay A (by press remote button A)
let me know if any other problem.

thanks

mp20748 · Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject:

Moome, check your PM.

WTS · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 1276 Location: Calgary

After thinking about Craig's question on the levels below 16 I have a question about the HD test discs DVE and the new S&M.

Does anyone know what test patterns on these discs have levels below 16, I thought the pluge test patterns were suppose to have levels below 16 but I can't find any info on what the actual digital levels are on these discs.

Anyone know?

I did some looking on the AVS forum and found an question/answer thread with Spears and Munsil which pretty much answered my questions about their disc and they actually have a lot of levels below 16 on their disc.

JohnHWman · Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:48 am Post subject:

ysati · Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 44

I have received the IFB-FULLHD V2 this morning.
I installed it on the G90.
DVD Pioneer LX71>Switch HDMI>Faroudja DVP1080>DVI/DVI cable 25 feet + adapter DVI/HDMI>IFB-FULLHD>G90
This works very well.
but the remote control,does not work?
Yves

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