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draganm
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zaphod
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ya' know, when i saw this thread's title "The Death of CD" i snorted because i've spent the last 2 nights spinning vinyl having just hooked up the downstairs TT after having it sit idle for 8 months. (the upstairs TT was having to support the vinyl habit 
so i started thinking - yeah sure. the death of CDs is about as likely as the death of vinyl...
and then i read draganm's post and the wired article and i've gotten all misty eyed ...
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Curt Palme
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I predict reel to reel is gonna make a comeback.
I just bought a minty Akai GX747, one of the consumer holy grails of RTR. As is on eBay, I lucked out. <insert happy dance here>
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zaphod
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the 747 is nice. very nice.
i should really let you at my GX-400D-PRO 2track/4track prosumer deck...
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blujz6
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Interesting move. From a pure business stand point this makes so much sense, it kind of hurts. Hit the consumer up for two versions of an album, the vinyl and the mp3 version.
It also hits on that nostalgic, indie thing. Which is just interesting. I can think of some pitfalls but they're really inconsequential.
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ecrabb
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Yeah, I'm sure vinyl and MP3 will kill CD. There are only about a billion CD players in houses and cars all over the world... and about 37 turntables. DJ's and audiophiles are the only people that have, want, or are interested in fiddle-dee-farting around with vinyl.
Oh, please God I hope this doesn't happen. MP3 sucks ass and vinyl - what a pain in the ass.
So, now if I want something to listen to somewhere besides next to a turntable, I have to listen to sh*t MP3 I bought, or I have to sit and record (digitize), in real-time, the vinyl I reluctantly bought, track it, and burn a CD. How quaint. It'll be like 1983, when we had to put vinyl on cassette to listen anywhere besides the listening room, only even MORE inconvenient. Gee, that sounds great.
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zaphod
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i only own a few pressings in both CD and vinyl - Time Out by Dave Brubeck is one and i did a head to head one night. very interesting results. i tried to a head to head with the classic Getz-Gilberto album (girl from ipanema and so on) but the vinyl was recorded in mono and the remastering into stereo on the CD added all sorts of interesting stuff to the comparison.
yeah, i'm definately having way too much fun with the audio side of my system. the only dvd i've played this week was the blues brothers which is essentially a plot written to support a soundtrack
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blujz6
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And someone listed the pitfalls I was thinking of. Also, the artists won't be changing how they record or the race to be as loud as possible on a recording by compressing and limiting the crap out of the mix. So nothing would change.
Heck, the last studio I worked at was using its 2inch mastering machines as tables.
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Moose
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| Curt Palme wrote: | I predict reel to reel is gonna make a comeback.
I just bought a minty Akai GX747, one of the consumer holy grails of RTR. As is on eBay, I lucked out. <insert happy dance here> |
You didn't get that one that went on a $100 Buy It Now?
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WanMan
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For the life of me, I cannot understand why CD and an optical system has gone away five years ago in favor of DVD as an optical transport. They could have made it so much more difficult to bootleg (not really), while being better suited for the future.
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Don't forget SACD - there are 42 players worldwide vs the 37 turntables 
SACD does sound very nice. Very nice indeed. There's been a sharp rise in SACD sales lately, which is suprising as I thought SACD would die out.
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WanMan
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BTW, when I say DVD I am not referring to DVD-A (as in DVD-A vs SACD). I feel both DVD-A and SACD have both failed to take off.
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| WanMan wrote: | | For the life of me, I cannot understand why CD and an optical system has gone away five years ago in favor of DVD as an optical transport. They could have made it so much more difficult to bootleg (not really), while being better suited for the future. |
...because the music industry is about risk averse as an industry gets. To try to push a whole new format would risk the cash cow that is CD sales. Even though that revenue stream is on the decline, they certainly don't want to upset the apple cart. Look how long it's taken them to even acknowledge the paradigm shift that's been starting for at least 5 years toward online music sales! This industry is still working on the same business model it cranked up 50 or 60 years ago. Exactly the same. We're not exactly talking about some forward-thinkers.
Plus, like I said before, consider the hundreds of millions of CD players in cars, boats, houses, boom boxes, dance studios, etc. The only people who want a different format (whether that be vinyl or DVD-A or SACD) are audiophiles and DJ's. The kiddies like MP3, and people who aren't interested in MP3's are perfectly fine with CD's.
One reason I suspect vinyl won't gain much more mass-market traction than it already has, is the same basic reason SACD/DVD-A have largely failed to supplant any CD sales. You have to ask a basic question: What does this widget offer me that the old widget doesn't? When you ask that question of DVD-A/SACD, the answer to the average person is clearly "nothing". Most people don't have the ears or systems to reveal the difference between plain old CD and high-bitrate uncompressed surround audio. There's simply no advantage to average Joe.
Apply that question to vinyl, now. Nada. No advantage whatsoever to average Joe. Period. Full Stop. In fact, it's atep backward in almost every other way. Inconvenient handling, easy to damage, plays one side at a time, shorter play time, noisy unless you take good care of it. Not to mention the idea that it's generally thought of as an antique by a significant portion of the population.
Now, apply the question to online MP3. Average kid sits at home, punches in a credit card (or doesn't - can you say P2P?), downloads his latest favorite track or album, syncs it his Pod or burns a CD, and he's out the door in 15 minutes. Now, THAT'S something you can't do with vinyl. At least 80% of the people who now download music wouldn't know what bad compressed audio sounds like if you showed them. There's a whole generation coming of age right now that have rarely ever had to go to the store to purchase a CD. Talk about instant gratification.
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WanMan
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What risk? DVD-ROM drives have been available for <$50 in retail for several years. I would think that as an industry they could have moved the transport hardware 2-3 years ahead of the first released music title. People with aging vehicles may be affected with CD-ROM drives and new titles on DVD, but almost everyone out there with CD's owns a DVD player in their home.
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draganm
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| oliverg wrote: | | Don't forget SACD - there are 42 players worldwide vs the 37 turntables |
I just went to the Rocky mountain audio Festival a few weeks ago. One of the biggest shows in the world with approx. 144 rooms showcasing thousands of pieces of gear. There were definitely more new turntables than new CD players but the "buzz" of the show was lossles digital storage on hard-drives. Oh an BTW, there were WAY more than 37 turntables at the show, the very firsty room I walked into had 3.
| oliverg wrote: | | SACD does sound very nice. Very nice indeed. There's been a sharp rise in SACD sales lately, which is suprising as I thought SACD would die out. |
Did a shoot-out one night for like 4 hours between a nice Marantz SACD/DVD-A player and my turntable. The guy who bought the Marantz picked the TT every time. I thought SACD had some good qualities like putting the Horns in the opening of the Who's Tommy album into the surround speakers, that was really cool.
I also heard a lot of Foobar like putting vocals into the center channel, which is a dialog speaker. Talk about awful, that was probably the worst thing i heard all night. I also heard some of the high frequency glare you normally get with digital audio but it was overall better than CD.
Anyway, I don't really care of CD lives or dies. I have brand new 5 LP's sitting in my 'wish list" waiting for some extra cash to pop -up. 
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cmjohnson
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I own two Akai X-360Ds. One's the parts pig for the one that runs.
And I own three Pioneer RT-909s. One will definitely be running soon, maybe even two of them,
but the third...I doubt it. So it's spare parts!
I like tape. Always have.
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