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rsh
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:09 am Post subject: Help with the Sony G90 problem !!! |
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I have been watching a movie the other night when my G90 unexpectedly shut down. First, I though it overheated or something. I waited a couple of minutes and tuned it off. Got a warming screen with some green and pink lines, so I turned it off. Next day I tried it again, got the warming screen just fine (no lines), but could not control anything with the remote control. Was pressing "menu" - no reaction.
Today, it would not even come up. I cannot get it out from standby mode. When I turn the power switch off and on, I get 88 in RED and then in orange (which is normal from what I understand), but then it either stays in 88 orange or switches to 30 in green or 11 in green.
Any ideas?
Anyone in NJ area who may help?
Thank you in advance
Roman
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oliverg
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
TV/Projector: Sony G90 X2 - Vidikron Vision 1
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Here are the error codes:
Code (color) Type Item Meaning
3A (green) Warning Changin the input memory
40 (green) Warning Configuring the system
41 (green) Warning Same DEVICE INDEX for the projecter detected
42 (green) Warning Same DEVICE INDEX for the switcher detected
43 (green) Warning Master switcher does not exist.
60 (orange) Protector Unknown Abnormalities that do not come under the errors below.
61 (orange) Protector POW1 Abnormal in the 200 V line
62 (orange) Protector POW2 Abnormal in the 115 V line
63 (orange) Protector POW3 Abnormal in the 50 V line
64 (orange) Protector POW4 Abnormal in the 15 V line
65 (orange) Protector POL The cover ofthe polarity switchers does not shut completely.
66 (orange) Protector H.STOP Horizontal deflection is stopped.
67 (orange) Protector V.STOP Vertical deflection is stopped.
68 (orange) Protector SUB Abnormality of the DC board
69 (orange) Protector HV Abnormal high voltage
6A (orange) Protector LOT Abnormal load on a LOT of the PE board
6B (orange) Protector Ik Current in any of the R, G and B CRTs exceeds the rated output.
6C (orange) Protector å Ik There is abnormality in the CRTs.
6D (orange) Protector FAN 1 A large fan inside the projector does not work.
6E (orange) Protector FAN 2 A small fan inside the projector does not work.
6F (orange) Protector LENS A lens is removed.
70 (orange) Protector CRTR Current in the red CRT exceeds the rated output.
71 (orange) Protector CRTG Current in the green CRT exceeds the rated output.
72 (orange) Protector CRTB Current in the blue CRT exceeds the rated output.
73 (orange) Protector IFB Abnormality of the interface board installed to the INPUT B section
74 (orange) Protector IFB Abnormality of the interface board installed to the INPUT C section
80 (orange) Protector BA Abnormality of the power line on the BA board
81 (orange) Protector DA Abnormality of the power line on the DA board
82 (orange) Protector DB Abnormality of the power line on the DB board
83 (orange) Protector DD Abnormality of the power line on the DD board
84 (orange) Protector DE Abnormality of the power line on the DE board
(orange) Protector EBR Abnormality of the EBR board
86 (orange) Protector EBG Abnormality of the EBG board
87 (orange) Protector EBB Abnormality of the EBB board
88 (red) Warning Initializing
89 (orange) Protector EBH Abnormality of the EBH board
8A (orange) Protector EBQ Abnormality of the EBQ board
Types of code
There are three types of self-diagnostic codes.
Warning (green): The power remains. Check your system and
connections.
Protector (orange): The power turns off and the projector is set to the
standby condition. Remove the cause of the trouble and press the ON
key on the remote commander to restore the power.
Error (red): The power turns off and the projector cannot receive any
command from the remote commander. Remove the cause of the
trouble and press the MAIN POWER switch on the projector to restore
the power.
Notes
• When an error code lights up, the previous adjustment data may be
cleared.
• The code disappears when the MAIN POWER switch is turned off.
• The code lights up every time the power is turned on until the operational
trouble is returned to normal.
• Immediately after the MAIN POWER switch is turned on, “88” is
displayed in red, then in orange, for about two seconds. This is not a
problem. The unit initializes the CPUs during this period
I can't see an 11 or 30. Let me see if I can find some more information
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oliverg
Joined: 15 May 2007
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
TV/Projector: Sony G90 X2 - Vidikron Vision 1
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:16 am Post subject: |
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Nope I can't find those codes you've given. Probably because they are green .. the service manual is a bit cryptic "the power remains" lol
One option you might have is Curt - he has a parts G90 arriving and should be able to help you out if you need any parts or repairs.
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overclkr
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: |
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I know another G90 owner who is getting "green" codes that are not listed.
The bad news is it's down. The good news is, it can most definitely be fixed. The bad news with that though, is it might cost you.
If my G90's failed right now though, I would pay it.
It's worth it.
Cliff
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rsh
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Yes,
I read the manual, and I did not see the codes I am getting there. That is why I posted and asked.
Good thing to know that curt will have parts, but I need to know which part I need first 
And I would rather have someone replace the part...
Roman
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oliverg
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:10 am Post subject: |
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If you talk to Curt, he might be able to help you fix it on the phone or at least identify which board is the problem
Good luck
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rsh
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:13 am Post subject: |
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oliverg,
Thanks, I will try to reach him tomorrow.
Roman
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overclkr
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:05 am Post subject: |
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The FIRST OFFICIAL Curt Please fix my G90 thread. :^)
Cliffy
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Curt Palme
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
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SWEET!
Let me look up the other codes, I believe there are more of them. It might be Friday before I return to this thread though.
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rsh
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Curt,
Thanks
Roman
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rsh
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Tried it again today, and as soon as I turn the Power switch on, I see 88 changes to 88 and then right away to 30. I tried two times - same thing. It would not get out od the standby mode, nor it would react to any RC commands.
Roman
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oliverg
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TV/Projector: Sony G90 X2 - Vidikron Vision 1
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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OK - more luck - here are the other codes:
2-3-1. Warning Code on 7-Segment LED
Error no. LED color Note Description
01 Green Main CS incorrect Check Sum of Main Program is incorrect.
Main Program is not written correctly on Flash Memory.
Upload Mode starts immediately after this error is displayed.
03 Green Font CS incorrect Check Sum of Font Data is incorrect.
Upload Mode starts immediately after this error is displayed.
10 Green Upload mode Start Displayed when Upload mode starts. (Flash twice.)
11 Green Upload data from Comm Mode of uploading data from communication.
12 Green Updata data to FM Mode of writing data uploaded from communication on Flash Memory.
18 Green Transport Error1 Transport Error (Upload Mode)
19 Green Transport Error2 Transport Error: Start Code Low Byte Error (Upload Mode)
1A Green Transport Error3 Transport Error: Packet Length Error (Upload Mode)
1B Green Transport Error4 Transport Error: Data Length Error (Upload Mode)
1C Green Transport Error5 Transport Error: Header Check Sum Error (Upload Mode)
1D Green Transport Error6 Transport Error: Data Check Sum Error (Upload Mode)
1E Green Transport Error7 Transport Error: Data End Low Byte Error (Upload Mode)
1F Green Transport Error8 Transport Error: Data End High Byte Error (Upload Mode)
20 Green Transport Error9 Transport Error: Invalid Error (Upload Mode)
21 Green Transport Error10 Transport Error: Retry Occur (Upload Mode)
24 Green Session Error Session Error (Upload Mode)
2F Green Return to Normal Upload Mode is finished. Return to Normal Mode.
30 Green User NVM format not available ! User Domain NVM is not formatted.
31 Green User NVM formatting... User Domain NVM is being formatted.
32 Green User NVM writing... Data is being written on User Domain NVM.
33 Green Service NVM format not available ! Service Domain NVM is not formatted.
34 Green Service NVM formatting... Service Domain NVM is being formatted.
35 Green Service NVM writing... Data is being written on Service Domain NVM.
36 Green Factory NVM format not available ! Factory Domain NVM is not formatted.
37 Green Factory NVM formatting... Factory Domain NVM is being formatted.
38 Green Factory NVM writing... Data is being written on Factory Domain NVM.
3A Green Input memory changing... Displayed when Input signals are considered unstable.
3B Green Now Power on delay waiting... Waiting for ON in the “ON DELAY” mode.
40 Green Configuring the system System Setting is being performed.
41 Green Same DEVICE INDEX for There are other projectors that have the same device index number.
Projector detected
42 Green Same DEVICE INDEX for There are other switchers that have the same device index number.
Switcher detected
43 Green Master Switcher not exist There is no Master Switcher.
When any of these codes is output in the ON condition, the device cannot be in the Standby state.
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oliverg
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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NVM is non volatile memory - so my guess is your DALLAS SRAM chip is dead
From memory - there are three memory areas, user - service and factory.
They can still be bought for around $50 US (from memory)
Although don't take my word for this, Curt /Terry are the best two to talk about this with
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rsh
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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I wish that is the only expense I would have to go through.
Will I loose all conversion settings?
I was told that if I send the board to SONY, they can fix it, but it will be reset to the factory settings, and I basically would need to do everything from scratch.
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oliverg
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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I found this .. it might be relevant to you. There may be a way of formatting the NVM user area using a backup. I just don't know enough about the G90, but here is some information that seems similar to what you're experiencing.
I'll try to find the segment about restoring the NVM user area. I'm sure there would be a way - probably involves holding down some buttons at power on - I just don't know which buttons or even if that is the way.
No matter what, you will lose whatever data is contained in the "user" area. I'm not clear on what is held in that area but its probably to do with your own preferences/settings. Sorry
Initialization ends after about 11 minutes.
® If Green : 30 (Lit) lights up on the 7-segment
LED of the YB board without going off, it means
that the software is requesting initialization of the
user SRAM. Press S202 for about 5 seconds in
the Green : 30 (lit) state, and the 7-segment LED
should change as follows.
Green :30®31 (Approx. 0.1 seconds) ® Off
End of intialization
* Take note that initializing the user SRAM
erases all user data.
5. Turn on the power and check operations
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Curt Palme
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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It might be an idea to change that chip.
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oliverg
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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I think I've found it - if I am correct, it is IC333
You should get someone to replace that for you anyway - as this chip is notorius for failing after 5-9 years. Alot of manufacturers work on the fact that alot of companies change their equipment every 3-4 years.... they hadn't counted on us using our boat anchors this late into the 21st century!!!
To reset it, try doing the sequence above: S202 for 5 seconds - that MIGHT fix the problem, but regardless, change the IC333 ASAP. Curt could do it while standing on his head, blowing his socks off.
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rsh
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | * Take note that initializing the user SRAM
erases all user data. |
Does this mean that I will need to have the PJ re-converged and recalibrated again?
| Quote: | ® If Green : 30 (Lit) lights up on the 7-segment
LED of the YB board without going off, it means
that the software is requesting initialization of the
user SRAM. Press S202 for about 5 seconds in
the Green : 30 (lit) state, and the 7-segment LED
should change as follows.
Green :30®31 (Approx. 0.1 seconds) ® Off
End of intialization |
Where exactly do I need to press S202?
Will changing the Dallas chip require PJ to be re-converged and recalibrated again?
Anyone here who actually did that?
I took the board out and saw the DALLAS chip. I plugged it back in – same thing 80 red, 80 orange, 30 green – no boot
Excuse my ignorance, but what is IC333? Is that the Dallas chip?
Thanks
Roman
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oliverg
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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IC333 : User data save .. Dallas Chip
All user settings will be gone. That means you will probably need to get your machine re-calibrated - some settings are held in the factory and service area - the rest in the user area.
The good news is that the YA board can be sent to Curt and he could replace it for you rather than the whole projector.
I'm sorry I can't offer any mroe help, I only just got my G90s this month and haven't really learnt much about them.
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oliverg
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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I think I've found an equivelant chip that should work - these are meant to have a 10 year lifespan. They are relatively expensive.
http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/38032.pdf
If anyone here can take a look and confirm, I'm just guessing.
I'm going to have a look on Mouser as well.
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