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Moose
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It certainly is interesting. I've looked at Amazon UK previously and found a whole slug of movies not available here in both formats. The downside is that they're even more expensive there even after VAT is deleted.
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jask
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wow that has to be a little disheartening for the BD owners  and more than a little dangerous for sales with the upcoming christmas season orders needing to be firmed up now. I wonder how long it will be before BD starts to drop the price point towards HD territory?
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Spotmatic
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Interesting indeed. In fact, I own the Director's Cut of Terminator 2: Judgment Day on HD-DVD. This title is only available on Blu-Ray in the Americas...
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WanMan
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Region coding and market restriction is nothing more than racial profiling. 
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Moose
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Are Uk HD-DVDs playable on USA players?
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ecrabb
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I believe so.
From the High Def Digest review of the UK Import Harry Potter HD-DVD:
| Quote: | | This is a review of the British HD DVD release of 'Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire.' At press time, this movie has not yet been announced for release on either high-def disc format in the United States, however this import disc is not region-coded and will play in any HD DVD player. |
I don't think HD-DVD uses region coding at all right now (or will ever? Another advantage of HD-DVD over BD, I think). Flipping through the listings, I think the HD-DVD's the UK Amazon are selling that look like they ARE Region 1-coded refers to the SD-DVD content included with the HD-DVD - as in combo discs.
I looked through the entire list of HD-DVD's on the UK Amazon and other than the Harry Potter film, there wasn't much I was interested in (that's not available in the US.) Besides, at $35 I wouldn't be interested, no matter how excited I was to see it.
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Tom.W
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Brian Hampton
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So,
Some films are distributed by other companies overseas and therefore show up available on HD DUD and it's Blu Rays dirty secret? I don't see that this has much to do with Blu Ray at all except for the fact that those films aren't on Blu Ray in the US. The whole dirty little secret concept bothers me as if someone is accusing the Blu Ray people of some type of mischef.
Simple fact is,.. HD DUD is not the format with a future. I feel for those that got duped but time to cut your losses and get with the program. Before PS3 was realeased I wasn't sure who would "win" the format war but it's too clear now and there is no war just one side that didn't realize they lost yet.
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Tom.W
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Brian why do you care so much about who wins ?
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Brian Hampton
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I think you mean who won. I think the war part ended with the release of the PS3 nearly a year ago.
The reason I care is as soon as the other camp looks at the reality of this contest (using sales data for example) the sooner Blu Ray can take hold like DVD did and HD versions of all the popular movies will be easily had by all.
Blu Ray has brought back the joy of building a movie collection and this time it's better suited to the capabilities of my gear. I see how others can feel that way about HD DVD becuase I bet the experience from the user standpoint is about the same. However, Fox (the company that will realease Alien and Star Wars) is on the Blu Ray side along with Disney and soon players will be released from several companies competing with each other and the single brand (sometimes re-branded) of HD DVD player.
I don't mean to be pushy about it,.I actually try hard to ignore it but as you can see I'm failing that one... it's just hard for me to wait around for toshiba to realize it's time to call it a day.
***However,.. I love CRT FP just about more then life itself and therefore much more then the next gen video format so don't let me comment on next gen formats again. I don't want to lose my CRT FP loving buddies. Believe me when I say I want to ignore all the hostilities ***
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ecrabb
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Brian,
I really hope you're wrong about the war being "over". Not because I love HD-DVD or think it's "all that", either. I don't like BD winning because then to get the format with larger storage capacity (it's SINGLE advantage), we'll all be stuck with higher hardware and software prices over the long-term, more DRM and region coding. Gee, sounds great to me. I can see why you're so excited about it. 
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Brian Hampton
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I thought better bandwidth was another thing that was better about it and the scratch resistant coating.
I do believe that the region coding, which is often ignored for now, will be a pain once they decide they can start enforcing it. Particularly because I like movie shopping when I'm in Europe (what else is there to do there?)
I bought a Blu Ray in France and played it here in the US but as soon as HD DVD is history I think the region coding and DRM will be a bummer... but, such is life.
I think if the DRM works and cuts down or eliminates piracy and therefore they stop putting those anti-pirate ads then that's fine.
And,.. movie prices are higher on the HD DVD side, which hardly matters anyway because on Ebay you can get either format for about the same as DVD ($14) when it's on sale.
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kschmit2
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| Moose wrote: | | Are Uk HD-DVDs playable on USA players? |
There is no region code for HD DVD. So all discs play just fine
There may be an issue down the road if 1080p50/i50 releases start to be released in europe, as the US and European player specs are different in that regard (Euro players have to support i/p50, US players don't have to).
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Moose
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| Quote: | I think if the DRM works and cuts down or eliminates piracy and therefore they stop putting those anti-pirate ads then that's fine.
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They will never, ever get rid of the anti-pirate ads.
| Quote: | on Ebay you can get either format for about the same as DVD ($14) when it's on sale.
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Plus some unreasonably high shipping costs that negates whatever deal you think you're getting.
I don't see one format winning over another for a long, long time and, more probably, never. Even if HD-DVD never attains more than 1/3 of the market, it's a pretty big potential market.
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kschmit2
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BTW, it hurts to see this site go down with fanboyism from either side.
Aren't we all into HD movies?
I never regretted my purchase of Muse LDs, D-Theater tapes, WMV-HD discs and so on. So why should I care if either of the new formats succeeds, or fails? I'll enjoy the movies while they are here, and there are more than enough players around to get parts machines should one of the formats no longer be supported anytime in the future.
Also keep in mind that eventually both formats will no longer be supported. Does it really matter whether that is in 1 year, 3 years, or 10 years?
How long has DVD been around? I don't think it has been more than 10 years, but I do know that I watched my last DVD in January 2004.
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ecrabb
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| Brian Hampton wrote: | | I thought better bandwidth was another thing that was better about it and the scratch resistant coating. |
Yes, more storage space and more bandwidth - both unused and totally unnecessary for movies. The 30 Mbit/s A/V max bitrate on HD-DVD is more than adequate and the 30 GB dual layer HD-DVD has been proven to be more than enough for even long movies.
As for the scratch resistant coating on BD, it's a mandatory part of the spec because the data is MUCH closer to the disc surface than it is on an HD-DVD. A scratch-resistant coating is optional for HD-DVD. If the rental market demanded it, it could be made a mandatory part of the spec.
I agree with kschmit, too. Considering the relatively little I've spent on my HD-DVD player and the few movies I've purchase, even if the format is dead in a few years, I'll still be happy with the enjoyment I got out of my player and movies. They'll still work just fine at that point, too.
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I wish somewhere we could have a discussion that consisted of a simple debate format.
For example:
Brian Hampton: Bluray is better because it has an anti scratch coating on the discs [Ppint]
ecrabb: HD-DVD has the data at a deeper level thus not making an anti scratch coating necessary and it is available as an option. [counterpoint]
Other examples could be:
Bluray has more movie studio support. [Point]
HD-DVD has more movies released or scheduled to be released [Counterpoint]
Bluray has larger capacity and higher bandwidth [Point]
30 gb discs and 30Mb/s is high enough for HD movies at 1920x1080p [Counterpoint]
and on and on.
No discussion. Just one line Point and counterpoint. No twisted truths. Just facts.
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Analog Marty
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Blu ray sounds more sexy. (Point)
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ecrabb
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"HD-DVD" makes sense and gives a clue about what the product/technology actually is. [Counterpoint]
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