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Stonefool
Joined: 24 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:23 am Post subject: |
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I'm sorry I am a consumer who think size does matter. 
I'll go for anything that has the best chance of being more future proof then the competition, that means, preferably no compression, on the movie's picture and audio, even with all the gizillion extra stuff a studio puts on the disc because they thought it cool. Imagine all that can be done with the HD format, and all the crap that will be added 5 years from now!? (Size of space does matter then, doesn't it?)
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wipron
Joined: 09 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Brian Hampton wrote: | Micheal Bay is pissed off about this news and says "no transformers 2" -seriously not kidding.
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=415
I'm not going neutral, I think it will just take a little while longer for Blu ray to become the new standard (like another year instead of just 4 months.) |
Brian: Look behind you before you backpedal too much. I would hate to have you fall and hurt yourself.
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Brian Hampton
Joined: 22 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Wipron,
I don't understand your comment. Did I backpedal? What does that mean?
I know Micheal Bay changed his mind about what he said, I read that the following day.
I still think HD DVD will lose soon, no backpedaling here.
On the other hand,.. I'm not enjoying the format war. I've decided I've picked my side and all I buy is Blu Rays these days. I know HD DVD isn't dead just yet but I'm going to pretend it's over and start ignoring it anyway, if I can. There's too many movies that I want coming out soon on Blu Ray. The Fly is one of my favorites and I'll pick up the Spiderman films and David Gilmour's concert.. There's much more that I want then I can afford to get so I can safely just ignore HD DVD until it goes away.
-Brian
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wipron
Joined: 09 May 2006
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Location: Minnesota
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Brian Hampton wrote: | Wipron,
I don't understand your comment. Did I backpedal? What does that mean?
I know Micheal Bay changed his mind about what he said, I read that the following day.
I still think HD DVD will lose soon, no backpedaling here.
On the other hand,.. I'm not enjoying the format war. I've decided I've picked my side and all I buy is Blu Rays these days. I know HD DVD isn't dead just yet but I'm going to pretend it's over and start ignoring it anyway, if I can. There's too many movies that I want coming out soon on Blu Ray. The Fly is one of my favorites and I'll pick up the Spiderman films and David Gilmour's concert.. There's much more that I want then I can afford to get so I can safely just ignore HD DVD until it goes away.
-Brian |
I can see why you don't understand my post, since it's no longer there, (except the very last line of it. Apparently the mods that don't exist on this site deleted it.
Must be because you are using the CORRECT format for this site, otherwise, I have no idea why anyone would have deleted it???
I'll paraphrase what I said for you. First you said the war would be over in a couple of months, then you decided it would take longer than you thought etc.. BACKPEDALING! Another point was that every time something, anything happens positive for HD-DVD, YOU were there to post some comment like "enjoy while you can" etc. That stuff gets real old after a while. I wont waste any more time typing stuff if its going to get deleted anyway. Enjoy your Blu-Ray. No room apparently for an HD-DVD backer here.
HD-DVD SUCKS!
There, I bet that doesn't get removed.
BLU-RAY is the best, YEAH, Blu-Ray!!
There, non existing MOD, is that better?
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Brian Hampton
Joined: 22 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Hey,
Sorry to hear about the mod action and all.
Truth is ... this format war seems to turn us enthusiasts on one another and I really want to just learn to ignore it.
Most people here share my love for CRT FP and I don't want to make enemies just because I get carried along with the current wave of the bitter HD format war.
I would like to stop with my "anti-HD DVD" ramblings.
Best thing I can think of for that is just to imagine it's over. I'll buy BR like it's going to be the next gen Home Video format and if I'm wrong then I'll just start over I guess. That's really the best way I can think of to deal with it.
-Brian
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Moose
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Can anyone summerize what the copy protection advantages (to the studios, certainly not to us) Blu-Ray has over HD-DVD?
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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The major difference is BD+, which I don't think is even implemented, yet. Does this sound good to anybody? (This is from the BD Wiki):
| Quote: | BD+ is effectively a small virtual machine embedded in authorized players. It allows content providers to include executable programs on Blu-ray Discs. Such programs can:[16]
- examine the host environment, to see if the player has been tampered with. Every licensed playback device manufacturer must provide the BD+ licensing authority with memory footprints that identify their devices.
- verify that the player's keys have not been changed.
- execute native code, possibly to patch an otherwise insecure system.
- transform the audio and video output. Parts of the content will not be viewable without letting the BD+-program unscramble it.
If a playback device manufacturer finds that its devices have been hacked, it can potentially release BD+-code that detects and circumvents the vulnerability. These programs can then be included in all new content releases.
The specifications of the BD+ virtual machine are only available to licensed device manufacturers.
BD-ROM Mark is a small amount of cryptographical data that is stored physically differently from normal Blu-ray data. Bit-by-bit copies that do not replicate the BD-ROM Mark are impossible to decode. A specially licensed piece of hardware is required to insert the ROM-mark into the media during replication. Through licensing of the special hardware element, the BDA believes that it can eliminate the possibility of mass producing BD-ROMs without authorization. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Digital_rights_management_.28DRM.29
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wipron
Joined: 09 May 2006
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Location: Minnesota
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| Brian Hampton wrote: | Hey,
Sorry to hear about the mod action and all.
Truth is ... this format war seems to turn us enthusiasts on one another and I really want to just learn to ignore it.
Most people here share my love for CRT FP and I don't want to make enemies just because I get carried along with the current wave of the bitter HD format war.
I would like to stop with my "anti-HD DVD" ramblings.
Best thing I can think of for that is just to imagine it's over. I'll buy BR like it's going to be the next gen Home Video format and if I'm wrong then I'll just start over I guess. That's really the best way I can think of to deal with it.
-Brian |
Yeah! Ditto for me, only switch the HD-DVD to Blu-Ray!
No enemy here Brian!
Maybe I'll should stick to stuff I know even less about, you know like CRT's!
Have a GREAT HOLIDAY weekend everyone!!
Ron
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Stonefool
Joined: 24 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | The major difference is BD+, which I don't think is even implemented, yet. Does this sound good to anybody? (This is from the BD Wiki):
| Quote: | BD+ is effectively a small virtual machine embedded in authorized players. It allows content providers to include executable programs on Blu-ray Discs. Such programs can:[16]
- examine the host environment, to see if the player has been tampered with. Every licensed playback device manufacturer must provide the BD+ licensing authority with memory footprints that identify their devices.
- verify that the player's keys have not been changed.
- execute native code, possibly to patch an otherwise insecure system.
- transform the audio and video output. Parts of the content will not be viewable without letting the BD+-program unscramble it.
If a playback device manufacturer finds that its devices have been hacked, it can potentially release BD+-code that detects and circumvents the vulnerability. These programs can then be included in all new content releases.
The specifications of the BD+ virtual machine are only available to licensed device manufacturers.
BD-ROM Mark is a small amount of cryptographical data that is stored physically differently from normal Blu-ray data. Bit-by-bit copies that do not replicate the BD-ROM Mark are impossible to decode. A specially licensed piece of hardware is required to insert the ROM-mark into the media during replication. Through licensing of the special hardware element, the BDA believes that it can eliminate the possibility of mass producing BD-ROMs without authorization. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Digital_rights_management_.28DRM.29
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Well, that doesn't sound too nice. But of course will the studios op for this thing to be included? And if it is, is it then better, perhaps, to get a machine that can't support this?
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Brian Hampton
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Stone,
I'm sure I can't say if having good anti-copy technology is for the best or not. On the one hand,... If the movies are not able to be pirated then the movie studios won't lose revenue (supposedly.) DVD's and CD's are fairly easily replicated but who can say if that hurts sales or not?
I've heard that movie studios want something like DivX back. (Not the DivX Mp4 codec but the short lived DVD type called DivX that would let you watch for a few hours and then you had to pay each time you wanted to watch it again.) There was talk about discs that would rapidly corrode that could be sold at rental prices. Now looks like online downloaded rentals that keep you tied to you internet connection and keep the cash flowing out of the bank at a steady rate are in the works. Seems some time of pay per view solution is whats really wanted by the movie studios.
I like the way CD's and DVD's and stuff works where you buy it and you enjoy it whenever you want, however you want. If a good anti-copy measure keeps that type of model profit-able then I'm all for it.
What I don't want and what most likely will happen is everything very available with ultra low quality like Mp3 and youtube video.
-Brian
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WanMan
Joined: 19 Mar 2006
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Studios and player manufacturers can do whatever the heck they'd like to do, but that doesn't mean consumers will buy into it. Heck, I won't even plug my D* DVRs into the telephone line anymore. Not so much paranoid, but rather have no f-ing need for the land line.
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