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jarseneau
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| JuzWerkz wrote: | The one thing I do consistently now that seems to work every time is power on the PS3 last. I never even swapped or wiggled any cables, and it seems to be working now, so I'm happy.
Also, has anyone else using an XG110LC been able to synch to a 1080p picture? I've gotten 1080i and 720p, but I haven't been able to get it to lock at 1080p (I didn't try very hard). I know other users have been posting about running 1080p 72 Hz, but I think they were running XG135's. Can the 110 go that fast?
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cj |
CJ,
The power on order has proven to be a factor in my setup as well. I use a pronto remote macro which turns projector on first and source device last. On shutdown it is reverse order with sources off first and pj off last. In your case there's the VP50 to also turn on at some point and I would guess that turning it on just after the projector would be best, then the source device last.
As for the 1080p, the card will accept 1080p/60hz and above (but not 24hz, or at least the pj won't tolerate it.) The one problem that all XG's will have with 1080p is that due to their short retrace time, special 'porch' settings are required to avoid getting foldover on the sides of the image. This issue is the same no matter if you are using the RGBHV input or the HDMI. Those who run 1080p are doing so by adjusting their porch settings either by a HTPC video card or via some processor like the VP50. I have been able to get it to work with an HTPC but I need to rework my ASTIG settings at 1080p to be happy running that way.
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kal
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| JuzWerkz wrote: | | kal wrote: |
Why is your convergence off?
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Because I'm not good enough yet at doing a setup to get it perfect in one pass. I'm struggling to get it to look just right, and I'm seeing a difference between test patterns and real pictures. |
No problems! Just wanted to be clear. From your original post it sounded like you may have been blaming the Moome card for the 1080p problems. It thought it may not have been clear to someone new to XG's reading the thread that the problem wasn't with Moome's HDMI 1.3 input card.
Kal
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Gary M.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: |
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question for anyone who has went from using the moome DVI to the new HDMI, hopefully when you slapped the card in the same slot you simply had to fire up the PJ and your memory block/setup was recognized from the old DVI card setup in that slot? any setup changes that needed to be made switching between them?
is the HDMI card the same as the DVI one where it could accept any resolution in (custom or etc.) simply converting whatever it received?
I use 1920x800p at 60hz with reduced L/R porches
thanks guys
-Gary
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dropzone7
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| kal wrote: | Update from Moome:
There are currently 18 XG-FULLHD cards left for immediate shipment. Once sold out I'm told that Moome moves on to other things he's been working on so it'll be a while before another batch of cards gets made.
Kal |
Ugh! Your killing me Kal. Now I'm debating ordering this card for my XG or waiting on the EXT-FULLHD box and saving a little money. Is there anything you can tell me that might sway me in one direction over the other? As I'm sure you probably know, I'm currently using the RTC2200 and HDFury combo so gamma on par with that is essential for me now. Also, if I went the XG card route I would need about a 25' HDMI cable run. Would that length be an issue?
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JuzWerkz
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| dropzone7 wrote: | | Also, if I went the XG card route I would need about a 25' HDMI cable run. Would that length be an issue? |
There seems to be 25' HDMI cables available (Amazon has one for $18 US), but I can't remember what length starts to become an issue. As I mentioned in my earlier post, Accell makes their ultraRun series cables that can go very long distances and have repeaters built into them. I have one of these and it is working just fine in my HT.
http://www.accellcables.com/products/videoCables/HDMI/HDMI_UltraRun13.htm
According to the chart on that page, their shortest one is 33 ft (10m) so I'm guessing that 25 ft is right on the fringe of what can work without the repeater, but I don't have any real data to back that up.
cj
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Gary M.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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HDMI cable length depends on the device powering the run, the VP50pro scaler will power a 50ft HDMI run no problem, the Onkyo pre-map I have won't hardly do 10 feet, nor will common source devices, unless you have a scaler with souped up output voltage I would suggest a repeater cable for anything over 10 feet
-Gary
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jarseneau
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Location: WI
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Gary M. wrote: | question for anyone who has went from using the moome DVI to the new HDMI, hopefully when you slapped the card in the same slot you simply had to fire up the PJ and your memory block/setup was recognized from the old DVI card setup in that slot? any setup changes that needed to be made switching between them?
is the HDMI card the same as the DVI one where it could accept any resolution in (custom or etc.) simply converting whatever it received?
I use 1920x800p at 60hz with reduced L/R porches
thanks guys
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I remember needing to create a new SIGNAL ENTRY for the HDMI card but I simply had to copy from the old DVI entry to create it. It may have been because I had the DVI in B and put the HDMI card in slot C to make it easier to adjust the gamma pot and pull it in/out while Beta testing.
The card was passing what it receives as far as resolution and refresh which I could tell from the NEC Info screen.
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Gary M.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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thanks Jerry
-Gary
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JorisS
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Considering I'm using a HTPC as source, meaning I can adjust gamma through the source, do you guys think the HDMI card is still the way to go, rather than the older DVI card model? My projector is a NEC XG110LC.
I can use either DVI or HDMI from the HTPC, so there's not much of a practical problem either way.
I've been reading through many posts here and everybody seems to be enthusiastic about the new HDMI card. However, it seems that above all else, it's the gamma adjustion that is knocking everybody off their feet. What about the image quality apart from this?
In addition, I am not and will not be throwing PS3 or anything at it, so as far as I'm aware I wont have any issues with handshakes or compatibility or whatsoever - it's just the HTPC, that's it.
Thanks for any heads up, trying to figure out whether the HDMI card is worth the double price for my use.
//Joris
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Panayotis Melas
Joined: 24 May 2008
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Location: Kallithea, Greece
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: I ordered it |
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Three days ago, I ordered the card.
I managed to place the order before the stock ends. I suppose that Moome will produce more of them, if the requirements are still high.
I hope I get it at the date that I specified (or after it), since I will not be at home after the 20th of July.
I sent a message to Moome for this, but I have not yet received an answer. I hope he's had it.
Moome, if you read this post, please, check your mailbox.
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kal
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: I ordered it |
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| Panayotis Melas wrote: | | I managed to place the order before the stock ends. I suppose that Moome will produce more of them, if the requirements are still high. |
Yes, that's generally the idea for all his cards: He makes repeated small batches so that he doesn't get stuck with a lot of stock in case things don't sell as expected.
| Quote: | | I sent a message to Moome for this, but I have not yet received an answer. I hope he's had it. |
I saw the message go by on its way to Moome so yes, I'm assuming he has it.
| Quote: | | Moome, if you read this post, please, check your mailbox. |
For whatever reason Moome has a horrible time trying to access the forum so he's not around much and has only posted twice in 2008! He's moving this month to a new house and things he'll have better internet service in the new area. He's in Taiwan.
Kal
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Gary M.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| JorisS wrote: | Considering I'm using a HTPC as source, meaning I can adjust gamma through the source, do you guys think the HDMI card is still the way to go, rather than the older DVI card model? My projector is a NEC XG110LC.
I can use either DVI or HDMI from the HTPC, so there's not much of a practical problem either way.
I've been reading through many posts here and everybody seems to be enthusiastic about the new HDMI card. However, it seems that above all else, it's the gamma adjustion that is knocking everybody off their feet. What about the image quality apart from this?
In addition, I am not and will not be throwing PS3 or anything at it, so as far as I'm aware I wont have any issues with handshakes or compatibility or whatsoever - it's just the HTPC, that's it.
Thanks for any heads up, trying to figure out whether the HDMI card is worth the double price for my use.
//Joris |
assuming that you are using a DVI equipped HTPC then there would be no upgrade as far as I can see, the reason I say this is because you already mentioned the gamma issue and most importantly because you are using 8-bit DVI output from the HTPC, the best gain of the new moome card is the ability to do 4:2:2 10-bit YCbCr HDMI input, if you have no sources that use this then that is wasted
the comments in this thread about color and gradiantion improvements are from the 10-bit HDMI usage, that is the only way there can be any difference in the cards on a technical input basis
in your situation DVI is all that is needed, I sure a few others will chime in and give advice
-Gary
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Panayotis Melas
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: I must receive it when I am back home |
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| kal wrote: | | Panayotis Melas wrote: | | I sent a message to Moome for this, but I have not yet received an answer. I hope he's had it. |
I saw the message go by on its way to Moome so yes, I'm assuming he has it.
Kal |
Thanks for your reply, Kal
My main concern is that the card is sent to Greece, when I am home. Apparently this seems to be after the end of August. Do you think that Moome can do it?
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kal
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: Re: I must receive it when I am back home |
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| Panayotis Melas wrote: | | My main concern is that the card is sent to Greece, when I am home. Apparently this seems to be after the end of August. Do you think that Moome can do it? |
I don't see why he couldn't hold back on shipping the card, but then, I don't speak for Moome. You'll have to confirm with him (as you've done).
Kal
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Tacky
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Hello all.
I'm looking for some assistance with my new purchase.
First off - appears to be a great card - well built, packaged, etc.
Got a few questions however...
First problem - my card does not have the 2ch stereo output jack installed. I had a quick look through the 'manual' and it says this is 'optional'. Ah no! I was hoping to use this feature... any ideas on what I should do?
Second - is there another updated manual on the way? I have no idea what all the switches on the back do. Nor do I know how or if i should be adjusting the gamma screw...
Third - the remote appears to do absolutely nothing?
Fourth - when plugging in a Toshiba XA2 HDDVD player I only get an image on HDMI1, no image on HDMI0.
I've also sent this email to Moome but I know he's a busy guy.
Any input or assistance with these issues would be fantastic.
Heres to hoping we all win an HDMI switcher too!!
Regards,
Tristan
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jarseneau
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| Tacky wrote: | Hello all.
I'm looking for some assistance with my new purchase.
First off - appears to be a great card - well built, packaged, etc.
Got a few questions however...
First problem - my card does not have the 2ch stereo output jack installed. I had a quick look through the 'manual' and it says this is 'optional'. Ah no! I was hoping to use this feature... any ideas on what I should do?
Second - is there another updated manual on the way? I have no idea what all the switches on the back do. Nor do I know how or if i should be adjusting the gamma screw...
Third - the remote appears to do absolutely nothing?
Fourth - when plugging in a Toshiba XA2 HDDVD player I only get an image on HDMI1, no image on HDMI0.
I've also sent this email to Moome but I know he's a busy guy.
Any input or assistance with these issues would be fantastic.
Heres to hoping we all win an HDMI switcher too!!
Regards,
Tristan |
1.The stereo output jack should be a standard mini jack as found on most portable music players. It was on the Beta version that I tested so I expect it would be on all but I haven't seen the final product
2. I didn't see any difference from changing the switches so I would just leave them as they came from moome. Since the card has some software update capability, it may be there for future use.
3. The remote is confusing but use the number buttons 1 and 2 to switch between HDMI0 and HDMI1. The remote is picked up by a sensor on the card itself so be sure to point at the card and not the front of the projector. The GAMMA UP/DN button should cause one of the LED's to blink when picked up. It takes many presses to make a visible change and you must have the GAMMA pot fully counterclockwise to use the entire range (see hints in the first post of this thread).
4. The input select is not auto-sensing so you will need to activate the desired input by either using buttons 1 & 2 on the remote or the black SEL button on the card itself next to the inputs.
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kal
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Tacky wrote: | | First problem - my card does not have the 2ch stereo output jack installed. I had a quick look through the 'manual' and it says this is 'optional'. Ah no! I was hoping to use this feature... any ideas on what I should do? |
Well that's odd. Moome never told me it wouldn't be there. I told him 99% of people would never use it but he shouldn't mention it exists if it doesn't. Let me know what he tells you. I'm curious.
How are you looking to use this feature? Just wondering, as there's maybe a better way to do things. Most people will simply use the TOSLINK/SPDIF digital out from their source devices directly into their receiver. There's really no reason to use a long digital audio cable between the projector and the receiver.
| Quote: | | Second - is there another updated manual on the way? I have no idea what all the switches on the back do. Nor do I know how or if i should be adjusting the gamma screw... |
Not that I know of. I'll ask him again.
Kal
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Gary M.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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how long does Moome's priority shipping usually take roughly? I am not wasting his time asking him this BS 
thanks a bunch
-Gary
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kal
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Gary M. wrote: | | how long does Moome's priority shipping usually take roughly? I am not wasting his time asking him this BS |
About 3-5 days. Longer if your country's customs spends time sitting on it (which is a crapshoot). I typically wait 2 weeks after the time when I know Moome has started shipping and then email for a tracking number.
Kal
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