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grae
Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 42
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:04 am Post subject: So I just got a G90 for free... |
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But it's broke. Heh.
Working as an installer can get you some pretty good deals from time to time. One of our old clients had a washing machine above the projector go bad. Water seeped through the floor and needless to say, fried the G90.
Originally we were supposed to take it to the dump. There was no way in hell I was going to do that, so I happily took it off his hands.
After removing the casing and inspecting it. It looks like a goner to me. In terms of me fixing it, that is. There's some hardware removed above the input boards and the tubes have a large black streak going down the center of the face, which I'm assuming is some type of spot burn.
Aside from the covers, lenses, and c-elements, is there anything else that I could possibly sell from this projector? I know spare parts for the G90 are highly sought after, but I'm not so sure what can be salvaged, and my knowledge of circuitry and electronics is next to nothing.
I'll throw up some pics soon when I get the time just for shits and giggles.
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 18114 Location: Ottawa, Canada
TV/Projector: JVC DLA-NZ7
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Clarence
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 3827 Location: Smith Mtn Lake, VA
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: |
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Sweet!
Don't throw anything out. And don't part it out prematurely. I know Curt has been looking for a G90 mule... even the spot burn wouldn't bother him. I bet he could track down every scorch mark.
If you don't feel like messing with building a crate, PM Curt with a fair offer and I'll volunteer to ship it to him from my office's loading dock.
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24396 Location: Langley, BC
TV/Projector: All of them!
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:32 am Post subject: |
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I would be REALLY interested in the unit as a whole. I don't want to repair it to sell it, I only want it to test other boards in. I can repair the set so that it runs, but you're right, with H fail burn marks on all tubes, it's not worth it.
Email me and we can haggle. I'm sure I'd give you more than selling watered down boards out of the set..
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CZ Eddie
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 1601 Location: Austin, TX
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I'd say to blowdry all of the electronics, then wait a week and power it up.
But the spot burn is a definate killer.
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grae
Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 42
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: |
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Oh, it's definetely dry by now. It's been sitting in the garage for probably a year or over now since it was taken down.
From what I was told it was taken to a Sony service center and they said that it was repairable, but the owner opted out of getting it fixed and under warranty got a Qualia projector instead.
I'll get those pictures up tomorrow most likely, and Curt I'll contact you shortly. I'd much rather place the projector in your hands knowing how much you've done for the crt community, but again I would like to make a bit of profit on it...
Right now, I must sleep. Hanging 100 lb TV's on 12' high vaulted ceilings and hauling that beast of a projector around all day can wipe anyone out.
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JustGreg
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 3098 Location: Kenosha, WI
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Methinks if it was powered up whilst wet...it's a goner. I deal with cell phones every day that take a bath in one fasion or another and the blow dryer only works for hair.
When it comes to minute avenues we'll call them, from the component leads into the component core...a blow dryer just won't cut it. Not in a timely manner anyway. If it were left powered off, covers off, in a room with a dehumidfier for a month MAYBE it would survive.
One weird little trick I use (I didn't invent it...love to say I did but I didn't) for wet phones that the owner hasn't tried to "make work" is to open it up, seperate all the boards, and put the parts 'n pieces in a bowl of uncooked rice and oatmeal with a loose fitting lid. The rice and oatmeal are moisture junkies and will suck it out of the boards pretty fast.
If the customer doesn't just say f*ck it and buy another phone instead of giving me a chance to try this for a night or two (I offer loaner phones), about 80% of the time I can resurrect the unit and return it to them with full functionality. It also saves them from getting into a new 24 month contract if they just go ahead and buy a new one. What I do pisses off Sprint...but I have a legion of customers who wouldn't let anyone but me touch their phones.
Too bad about the 90 tho. One less higher end pj that somebody could have kept in the "system".
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24396 Location: Langley, BC
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:07 am Post subject: |
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And then you leave a grain of rice in it, and tell the customer that you found maggots in the phone..LOL!
Grae, no question you need to make money off the unit, I completely understand. Think of your sale to me of benefit to all other g90 owners that I hope to save from getting raped by Sony..;D
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JustGreg
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 3098 Location: Kenosha, WI
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| Curt Palme wrote: | And then you leave a grain of rice in it, and tell the customer that you found maggots in the phone..LOL!
Grae, no question you need to make money off the unit, I completely understand. Think of your sale to me of benefit to all other g90 owners that I hope to save from getting raped by Sony..;D |
LMAO....good one.
Nah...I have a deal worked out with the Chinese restaurant right next door where I get the "sticky rice". Seriously. They give me rice...and I give the customers one of their 20% discount coupons.
The oatmeal I have to buy, but I donate it to a homeless shelterwhen I'm done with it.
KIDDING!!! (ah God I kill me sometimes).
Greg
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 26706 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
TV/Projector: Sony 1252Q, AMPRO 4000G
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:36 am Post subject: |
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I dropped my Motorola brick phone in the mud and water once. Took it home and washed it out in the sink. Hung it up with a clothes pin by the antenna to dry for a week or so ( my apartment is always at least 85 deg ) and threw the battery on and used it for antoher 10 years.
Finaly a G90 test machine. Things are looking up.
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jask
Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 10187 Location: kamloops BC
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my old Nokia 6xxx phone was written off by the service center for liquid damage and sent back, I threw it in the trunk of the car-it was summer,low 90's and forgot it for a week.... after being forgotten in the car I pulled it out and was going to save the battery gave it one last push and it fired right up!!!
I will try the rice idea next time
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Tinman
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 1326 Location: Carson City Nevada
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A food dehydrator at 140 degrees works wonders to dry out electronics.
You can bake old reel to reel tapes in it too. (Read up on tape baking.)
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Phil Smith
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 7717
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Think of your sale to me of benefit to all other g90 owners that I hope to save from getting raped by Sony..;D |
Geez Curt, what a transparent guilt trip. Instead of getting raped by Sony, they'll get raped by you.
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
TV/Projector: JVC RS40, Epson 5010
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Think about that one for a sec, though. If you gotta get raped, better to get raped by the little guy than the big guy.
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madpoet
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 851
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I've seen pics of Curt. Are you sure you want to call him little?
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oliverg
Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 800 Location: Melbourne, Australia
TV/Projector: Sony G90 X2 - Vidikron Vision 1
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Don't laugh, but one of my clients dropped his laptop in a spa (jacuzi) (while on).
I honestly thought it would be a gonner - but my father (who's an engineer since valves were the thing) suggested something I never would have tried in a million years.
I took all the components out, seperated them - and put them in an oven at 50C (to all those in Australia, yeah - I put it outside on the veranda on a cold winter's day!) for 10 minutes - then took them out, cooled them - put them back and so forth.
With the exception of it needing a new LCD panel, it worked perfectly! I got a lot of kudos from that client.
The oven trick also works with hard discs that have IDL (intermittent drive lock), when the lubricants start to go viscos and the unit starts failing (spel?), heat the drive up in an oven, then copy all the data off quick smart. Not sure if it would work with the more modern drives, but back in the days of MFM, RLL and stepping motors, it worked well.
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Brian Hampton
Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 1173
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I'll pay to have it shipped to me and I'll fix it.
(But I guess that's not likely something you're interested in, eh?)
I would love to get a g90 that needed all three tubes for cheap. Even though the tube costs are so high.
-Brian
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
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I've warmed boards in the oven to dry them before, but I never thought of heating a drive mechanism to thin the lubricant. Great idea.
I have used the "whack it on the corner with a screwdriver at power-up" trick a whole lot of times. Recovered a lot of data for grateful customers that way. Remember the old Quantum "stiction" issue? LOTS of Macs with those drives failing in them for a few years.
Can't wait to see the G90 pics. Almost makes me sick to think of a G90 with water running out of it. That reminds me... I need to get the theater and equipment on my insurance policy!
SC
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JustGreg
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 3098 Location: Kenosha, WI
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| ecrabb wrote: | I need to get the theater and equipment on my insurance policy!
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I've been putting that off for a long time too. I thought I'd do it when it was finished but finished is a relative term so time to dig out the Sony DV and git er dun.
RLL, MFM...holy hell there's a blast from the past. I can't even begin to count the number of times I smashed my fingers finaggling those beasts in and out of old TI SCO UNIX servers. All of them had SIPP memory too...remember that package? Flimsy assed pins that were so damn easy to break or bend.
Oooops. Sorry OP.
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oliverg
Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 800 Location: Melbourne, Australia
TV/Projector: Sony G90 X2 - Vidikron Vision 1
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| ecrabb wrote: | Remember the old Quantum "stiction" issue? LOTS of Macs with those drives failing in them for a few years.
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That's EXACTLY where the term IDL started, with those bloody Quantum drives (40Mb ones esepcially). I was actually working for Apple at the time when the first batch came through *shakes head*
Hehe those were the days!
I can't wait to see the pics of this fried G90!
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