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Gino
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| Mad Mr H wrote: | | My 909s will be running 54" wide screens |
You are the king of overkill Andy  That is going to look insane, super sharp and bright!
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Spotmatic
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Location: Gelderland, Netherlands
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I've had a lot of problems with the 909 in the last few days. At first, I thought that I had damaged the 909 because it often went back to standby a few seconds after starting it up. And when it did start up, the screen was at first totally garbage and after that all black... No signal!
I have to test a bit more, but I think that the Moome is defective. And that's my own stupid fault: after the projector was moved to the ceiling, I had placed the Moome on top of it but I did not fix it. As a result, last week it made a free fall of two meters down to the (still not covered) concrete floor. However, it still worked (it doesn't even have a dent, I think it fell flat on the bottom) so I didn't think much about it. But right now, only the Component input of the Moome works (checked with the Xbox hooked up @ 1080i), the DVI input stays blank, even when I select 1024 x 768 on the PC... with the projector sometimes going into standby.
A question for the Barco experts: is it possible that the Barco has circuits that protect it from unsupported signals through the RGB input, making it go into standby?
I've yet to test the Moome on a monitor, but I'm worried a little because I don't think a simple monitor has a better fault-tolerant chassis than the Barco.
Right now, I'm using a standard VGA to RGBHV cable from my PC (with a DVI to VGA dongle, so I'm using the analog signal of the video card) but it's quite visibly softer than the digital connection to the Moome. So I think I made a wise move and ordered the HDfury today. A good excuse to buy it! 
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mp20748
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Location: Maryland
TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM
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| Spotmatic wrote: | I've had a lot of problems with the 909 in the last few days. At first, I thought that I had damaged the 909 because it often went back to standby a few seconds after starting it up. And when it did start up, the screen was at first totally garbage and after that all black... No signal!
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Going into standby could be a concern here. Doing that after startup is a form of fail safe (protection).
It could indicate that it does not recognized the source frequency, and rather than project an weird (or unregistered) image, it shuts down.
It could also mean that you have a voltage off from your SMPS. And when the controller polices the voltages, if one is off, or slow to register, it will shut down.
The 909 has in its menu, a diagnostic feature that would allow you to look at the voltages coming from the SMPS. That's there for several reasons, and based on the applications that the projectors would be used in, you'll need to check the readings.
In your case, you should have started your setup by first erasing all previous memories (but wait on this for now). It more likely has a memory in it that's close to what you have on the BNC's, but has far different settings. And the controller decides to shut down, because it's not sure of the two.
Go into the menu and read the SMPS numbers. Shoot them to me by PM.
Also give me your screen width and how many memories it has in the memory management. write down the ones in there that are close to the rate you have on the BNC's when the problem happens. And send them to me as well.
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Hi Mike, thanks for the tips. I must admit I have not thought of the SMPS, but I will take a photo of the voltage readings and post it here. BTW, after I have received the projector we erased *everything* so there are only a few memory slots used (7, I think). What's more: I use source 95 and for that source only one memory slot is used...
Not sure what you want with the screen width, though...
Edit: now that I think of it: the 909 also has an error log. I'll look what it says.
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mp20748
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| Spotmatic wrote: | Hi Mike, thanks for the tips. I must admit I have not thought of the SMPS, but I will take a photo of the voltage readings and post it here. BTW, after I have received the projector we erased *everything* so there are only a few memory slots used (7, I think). What's more: I use source 95 and for that source only one memory slot is used...
Not sure what you want with the screen width, though...
Edit: now that I think of it: the 909 also has an error log. I'll look what it says. |
The error log may be helpful, but it's not likely going to be of much help with that problem. The SMPS readings will tell me much..
Yep, and width (horizontal) numbers are important here.
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kal
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Spotmatic
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| kal wrote: | The 909 has an error log? Cool!
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Yes, unless you need it 
BTW, the 909 also has an internal clock. This is used to put a date and timestamp to the log entries.
Another fun part is when you block one or more of the fans. An error appears on the screen saying that the projector will be shut down in a few seconds because of a fan block
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kal
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Spotmatic
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OK, here's a pic of the voltages. For the interested I'll also post some more pictures of the menus. Any unsharpness in there is entirely due to the cheap kit zoom lens of my dslr...
The 17v looks a 'little' off 
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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The Barco startup screen:
The projector diagnostics log:
The convergence menu:
The real time clock:
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kal
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mp20748
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Hopefully, your projector is setup with the raster at or near full. And if so, post your horizontal width (size).
And from there. When you can, with the projector being off overnight, turn it on and immediately take a picture of the that same power supply menu. Then after 30 minutes warmup, take that same picture again and post it.
I need to see where your H size is at.
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Spotmatic
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Well, the raster at 1080p is nearly touching the sides of the tubes. The Voltage menu picture was taken immediately after I had turned it on. I will try to watch a movie on it tonight en will also write down the H size value...
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Chuchuf
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how cool are the diagnostics and voltages!!!! I got to get me one of these!
Have you had a fan failure?
Terry
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Spotmatic
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| Chuchuf wrote: | how cool are the diagnostics and voltages!!!! I got to get me one of these!
Have you had a fan failure?
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Yes, but that was deliberate. Well, sort of. A cable got in the way and then a window popped up on the screen saying that the machine was going to shut itself down in a few seconds... A great system, if you ask me! That was one of the reasons to get myself one.
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Spotmatic
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Mike, the H width is at 77 with the rasters almost touching the sides of the tubes...
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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The original voltages (immediately after starting up the projector)
And here's the voltages after 2 hours of usage:
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Spotmatic
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And here's one famous shot, which shows (at least to me) that I still have a lot of work to do with the electronic focus and astig:
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garyfritz
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I dunno, Peter, for a new setup that definitely doesn't suck...
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Mark_A_W
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| Spotmatic wrote: |
Another fun part is when you block one or more of the fans. An error appears on the screen saying that the projector will be shut down in a few seconds because of a fan block |
You mean, "Just like a NEC PG which they made 15 years ago"...
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