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Axatax
Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Posts: 403
TV/Projector: Sony VPH-G70Q (aka Barco Cine8 Onyx)
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | how does LD look through that rig of yours??? |
Pretty good. The whole chain looks something like this:
LD-S9 S-Video into Entech CVSI-1 transcoder, into Mosquito, into VP30, then out to G70.
The Mosquito provides the most dramatic improvement, as it eliminates the ever-present background noise/background in motion typical with the LD format. This softens the image ever so slightly, but the benefits far outweigh this small hit. On my 96" screen, the best LDs can approach an average DVD.
In theory, all these A/D conversions should have a negative impact
on the image, but it's not readily apparent since the bandwidth of the original signal is so low and the devices in the chain are of high quality.
All the resolution patterns on Video Essentials LD are all fully resolved, and the ABT102DL passes all motion testes with flying colors.
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r.bauer
Joined: 08 Apr 2006
Posts: 280
Location: The Netherlands
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:59 am Post subject: |
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HLD-X9 -> CVSI -> HOLO3D-I -> (HTPC) -> DVI -> BG1209s -> 2,6m (100") wide screen.
Makes a nice picture from laserdisc, and anamorphic LD's are even better!
@Avatax,
What is that mosquito you are talking about? Might be interesting.
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PsychoDogBeast
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 97
Location: Huddersfield, Fenay Bridge, Earth :)
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hi there all
Ive still gotta couple of laserdisc players Pioneer 925 one of the last/best apart from the hd ones and a few discs (he he he about 400!!!!) that i havnt played for 5 or 6 years now, but ive been thinking of getting them out of the loft and trying them on a my scaler crt, i tried before using dscaler/htpc/cheapy capture card but the qual was too poor  .
As said previously the sound quality is so much better than dvd, especially the dts titles.
regards james
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RUSerious
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Posts: 9
Location: Ottawa Area of Canada
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Pioneer CLD-95 Reference Player -> Faroudja LD-200 -> Barco 808G -> 96in
At 1.5 viewing distance it has visible lines (of course) but because these are analogue devices the better the player the better the re-creation of the source material (just like a premium turntable/arm/Moving coil/RIAA will get the best from your LPs).
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r.bauer
Joined: 08 Apr 2006
Posts: 280
Location: The Netherlands
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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@ avatax,
What's with that mosquito? Got any info?
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emdawgz1
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Posts: 7949
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| r.bauer wrote: | @ avatax,
What's with that mosquito? Got any info? |
Its probably this https://www.algolith.com/index.php?id=mosquito_hdmi&L=0
Overview
The Mosquito Home Theater Video Enhancer is ideal for use with DVDs and compressed signals.
Mosquito reduces compression noise artifacts known as “mosquito noise” (random noise apparent along edges of compressed images). It reduces bad reception and low light noises. Mosquito virtually eliminates block artifacts associated with fast moving images. Mosquito cleans up and sharpens compressed MPEG images from Satellite TV, Digital Cable, DVDs and digital recordings (DVD-Rs and PVRs).
Function
Mosquito performs four distinct image noise reducing techniques. First, mosquito noise is removed, using Algolith's proprietary pixel-based algorithm. Second, Block Artifact Reduction (BAR) blends and diminishes inherent 8 x 8 pixel block structures of MPEG images. Third, Algolith’s advanced motion adaptive temporal filtering eliminates bad reception and low light noises. Finally, Mosquito provides image enhancement using non-linear filters providing exceptionally sharp and noise free pictures.
Features
* Second generation 3D-MNR Mosquito Noise Reduction
* 3D-DNR Gaussian Noise Reduction
* Block Artifact Reduction (BAR)
* Detail Enhancement
* Automatic interlaced/progressive and SD/HD input signal detection
* Component and HDMI/DVI video format
* High quality oversampling digital conversion
* User friendly OSD user interface
* USB connectivity for easy upgrades
* Fanless operation
* American and European video signal compatibility
Detailed Information
Video Inputs:
* Two component interlaced/progressive SD/HD
o 480i/p
o 576i/p
o 720p/60
o 1080i/60
o Automatic interlaced/progressive SD/HD input detection
* Four HDMI interlaced/progressive SD/HD
o 480i/p
o 576i/p
o 720p/60
o 1080i/60
o Automatic interlaced/progressive SD/HD input detection
Video Outputs:
* Component interlaced/progressive SD/HD
o 480i/p
o 576i/p
o 720p/60
o 1080i/60
* HDMI Interlaced/progressive SD/HD
o 480i/p
o 576i/p
o 720p/60
o 1080i/60
* 14-bit processing
* Proprietary 3D-MNR MPEG Noise Reduction
* Proprietary 3D-DNR Gaussian Noise Reduction
* Proprietary 2D auto detection Block Artifact Reducer (BAR)
* Proprietary Detail Enhancer
Front Panel Features:
* IR sensor
* Power on blue LED indicator
Back Panel:
* Two Analog Component Inputs
* Four HDMI Inputs
* One Analog Component Output
* One HDMI output
* USB control
* Wired remote control
* External DC power supply
User Selectable Controls:
* Input Selection
* Detail Enhancemen Level.
* 2D Noise Reduction Level.
* 3D Noise Reduction Level.
* Block Artifact Reduction (BAR) (on/off)
* Split Image (on/off)
* Processing (on/off)
* Map (on/off)
Control:
* OSD (On Screen programmable Display) with status feedback
* IR Remote Control
* USB control and upgradability
Power:
* External AC Adaptor
* 12V DC 2A
* Low Profile fan less chassis
Dimensions:
* Width: 17 in.
* Depth: 12 in.
* Height: 1.5 in.
* Weight: 10 lbs
* Rack Mounting Brackets
Specifications and apperance of Mosquito HDMI are subject to change without notice. Weight and dimensions are approximate.
Availability
Now shipping - Contact your local dealer to view the Mosquito and place your order.
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Person99
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 4899
Location: Flower Mound, TX
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| benareeno wrote: | | I love LD...the sound is still unparalleled on many of the discs. Even a dolby surround version of a disc is quite often miles ahead of the DD dvd. For that reason alone you may find yourself loving LD! |
Assuming you watch it with your eyes closed, because the image upconverted and projected at 7+' wide looks like sh!t! 
Oh, and I assume "miles ahead" was a bit of hyperbole. 
Dave
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benareeno
Joined: 22 Mar 2006
Posts: 1614
Location: ottawa, canada
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:12 am Post subject: |
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Not hyperbole at all....the LD format had far superior soundtracks to the same title on dvd. Not as good of a picture, but the last time I ran one through a lumagen, I got a good picture. Not HD, but good...couple that with the great sound, and I still enjoyed some LD's.
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NO-NONSENSE
Joined: 17 May 2008
Posts: 29
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | | r.bauer wrote: | @ avatax,
What's with that mosquito? Got any info? |
Its probably this https://www.algolith.com/index.php?id=mosquito_hdmi&L=0
Overview
The Mosquito Home Theater Video Enhancer is ideal for use with DVDs and compressed signals.
Mosquito reduces compression noise artifacts known as “mosquito noise” (random noise apparent along edges of compressed images). It reduces bad reception and low light noises. Mosquito virtually eliminates block artifacts associated with fast moving images. Mosquito cleans up and sharpens compressed MPEG images from Satellite TV, Digital Cable, DVDs and digital recordings (DVD-Rs and PVRs).
Function
Mosquito performs four distinct image noise reducing techniques. First, mosquito noise is removed, using Algolith's proprietary pixel-based algorithm. Second, Block Artifact Reduction (BAR) blends and diminishes inherent 8 x 8 pixel block structures of MPEG images. Third, Algolith’s advanced motion adaptive temporal filtering eliminates bad reception and low light noises. Finally, Mosquito provides image enhancement using non-linear filters providing exceptionally sharp and noise free pictures.
Features
* Second generation 3D-MNR Mosquito Noise Reduction
* 3D-DNR Gaussian Noise Reduction
* Block Artifact Reduction (BAR)
* Detail Enhancement
* Automatic interlaced/progressive and SD/HD input signal detection
* Component and HDMI/DVI video format
* High quality oversampling digital conversion
* User friendly OSD user interface
* USB connectivity for easy upgrades
* Fanless operation
* American and European video signal compatibility
Detailed Information
Video Inputs:
* Two component interlaced/progressive SD/HD
o 480i/p
o 576i/p
o 720p/60
o 1080i/60
o Automatic interlaced/progressive SD/HD input detection
* Four HDMI interlaced/progressive SD/HD
o 480i/p
o 576i/p
o 720p/60
o 1080i/60
o Automatic interlaced/progressive SD/HD input detection
Video Outputs:
* Component interlaced/progressive SD/HD
o 480i/p
o 576i/p
o 720p/60
o 1080i/60
* HDMI Interlaced/progressive SD/HD
o 480i/p
o 576i/p
o 720p/60
o 1080i/60
* 14-bit processing
* Proprietary 3D-MNR MPEG Noise Reduction
* Proprietary 3D-DNR Gaussian Noise Reduction
* Proprietary 2D auto detection Block Artifact Reducer (BAR)
* Proprietary Detail Enhancer
Front Panel Features:
* IR sensor
* Power on blue LED indicator
Back Panel:
* Two Analog Component Inputs
* Four HDMI Inputs
* One Analog Component Output
* One HDMI output
* USB control
* Wired remote control
* External DC power supply
User Selectable Controls:
* Input Selection
* Detail Enhancemen Level.
* 2D Noise Reduction Level.
* 3D Noise Reduction Level.
* Block Artifact Reduction (BAR) (on/off)
* Split Image (on/off)
* Processing (on/off)
* Map (on/off)
Control:
* OSD (On Screen programmable Display) with status feedback
* IR Remote Control
* USB control and upgradability
Power:
* External AC Adaptor
* 12V DC 2A
* Low Profile fan less chassis
Dimensions:
* Width: 17 in.
* Depth: 12 in.
* Height: 1.5 in.
* Weight: 10 lbs
* Rack Mounting Brackets
Specifications and apperance of Mosquito HDMI are subject to change without notice. Weight and dimensions are approximate.
Availability
Now shipping - Contact your local dealer to view the Mosquito and place your order. |
I tried the link you supplied, got nothing, sure looks like a good product though
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Fujifrontier
Joined: 20 Oct 2007
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Location: San Antonio, Texas
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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I love what the 1020 coughs up with my halfass-working Sony LD player. Beautiful analog picture, all the way
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Jesse S
Joined: 12 May 2007
Posts: 209
Location: Etobicoke
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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One thing you can do with laserdisc is to input the composite or s-video to a PC capture card. Then use Dscaler in 3:2 ivtc mode and it will reconstruct 480p 24fps. I did that with my crappy pioneer s201 and it was actually decent on my old 6PG.
The PCM audio was actually pretty good. The problem was that dolby pro-logic sucked. With DPLII you could probably get quite a good sound out of LD now.
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NO-NONSENSE
Joined: 17 May 2008
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| madpoet wrote: | | I've got some crazy LDs still in my collection, along with the requisite titles like the Star Wars boxset. The one thing I'm missing is the unedited Song of the South... |
I HAVE 2 COPIES of SONG OF THE SOUTH, bought the second one on e-bay for someone else, and he changed his mind, after I paid $125 for it
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NO-NONSENSE
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I have a Pioneer Elite CLD-97 connected to a Denon avr5308ci, which takes the S video and up-converts it to component, also the Realta HQV chip set in the Denon, brings out every last detail and every color nuance available from the disc, this is fed into a Mitsubishi Diamond Vision 73711 CRT 73" HD RPTV, most LD'S look pretty much like an average DVD, but can't compare to the best DVD'S, I keep over 1000 LD'S, and watch them frequently, because about a quarter of them are not, and may never be, on DVD, started collecting them before LD became LaserDisc, back then it was called DiscoVision, and was promoted (actually developed) by Universal/Disney studios, later Pioneer bought the Optical Disc rights, and changed the name to LaserDisc, my first player was the Pioneer VP1000, at that time the one and only player you could buy, I hac a Kloss NovaBeam front projector with its 60+" curved screen, later got the Pioneer CLD 700 to go with it, and a Marantz 4 channel receiver (top of the line with SQ Pro Logic surround adapter) you remember the Quad era don't you?, LD'S are encoded with Dolby Surround, so the SQ decoder did a reasonable job of processing the surround channels, however once in a while sounds came from the wrong speaker, but that was part of the fun, I was in Video Heaven
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blue_z
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Location: So Calif
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| Jesse S wrote: | | One thing you can do with laserdisc is to input the composite or s-video to a PC capture card. |
The Avermedia A180 ATSC tuner card in my PC also has S-video input. So the Panasonic LX1000 S-video signal is input, digitized, encoded into SD MPEG2, decoded, deinterlaced and upscaled to 1280x960 with nVidia PureVideo, and output through the VGA port to a NEC PG6+.
On the LX1000 LD player, the video off the disc is always split into chroma and luminance signals, so the S-video output is the better signal because it has one less conversion than the composite output (which is a recombined video).
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Jesse S
Joined: 12 May 2007
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Location: Etobicoke
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| blue_z wrote: | | Jesse S wrote: | | One thing you can do with laserdisc is to input the composite or s-video to a PC capture card. |
The Avermedia A180 ATSC tuner card in my PC also has S-video input. So the Panasonic LX1000 S-video signal is input, digitized, encoded into SD MPEG2, decoded, deinterlaced and upscaled to 1280x960 with nVidia PureVideo, and output through the VGA port to a NEC PG6+.
On the LX1000 LD player, the video off the disc is always split into chroma and luminance signals, so the S-video output is the better signal because it has one less conversion than the composite output (which is a recombined video). |
I don't know what the Nvidia purevideo does, but you want to make sure it's not just deinterlacing. Ideally you want to reconstruct the film 24fps by doing IVTC (3:2 pulldown). With Dscaler you can set it to autodetect and it automatically sees and shows you it's doing pulldown. If you just deinterlace to 30fps progressive then you are leaving in the dummy frames which cause ghosting.
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blue_z
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Location: So Calif
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| Jesse S wrote: | | I don't know what the Nvidia purevideo does, but you want to make sure it's not just deinterlacing. |
Hi there
Purevideo does similar stuff as Dscaler, and has the advantage of offloading a lot of this processing from the CPU to the nVidia GPU. But it turns out that my memory is very fuzzy, and the playback through the s-video port does not use the Purevideo MPEG decoder, it uses some plain Avermedia decoder. So there are numerous digital video artifacts!.
So I installed Dscaler, and it sort of recognizes the video inputs of the Avermedia ATSC tuner. Watched a couple of the Indiana Jones movies off of LD this weekend. Still an occasional artifact pops up now and then, and the PQ is just slightly softer than some of the commercial network OTA HDTV. But it's certainly better than the Avermedia software!
Thanks for the advice, Jesse.
Regards
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