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haireez
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I wish that this meet up is in Asia so that I could be there as well but to fly from Singapore to USA is too expensive or even get me a G90 for that matter.
Anyway, hope to get the feedback from this meet up.
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greg9518lc
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| haireez wrote: | I wish that this meet up is in Asia so that I could be there as well but to fly from Singapore to USA is too expensive or even get me a G90 for that matter.
Anyway, hope to get the feedback from this meet up. |
Looks at this time the meet might be cancelled only 2 confirmed so looks like
CRT is dead for even the enthusiast.
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Curt Palme
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I don't really think that's it. There's been more hostility between CRT owners, bashing each other and digital guys in the last 2 years or so than there has ever been in the 18 years that I've been involved with CRT online.. I think that's affected who would show up at a communal meet.
That wasn't the case when Cliff was hosting the meets, at least that's my perception.
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jbmeyer13
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| greg9518lc wrote: | | haireez wrote: | I wish that this meet up is in Asia so that I could be there as well but to fly from Singapore to USA is too expensive or even get me a G90 for that matter.
Anyway, hope to get the feedback from this meet up. |
Looks at this time the meet might be cancelled only 2 confirmed so looks like
CRT is dead for even the enthusiast. |
CRT isn't dead but to draw people to an event on Columbus day weekend is going to be difficult. For one, that's a major travel weekend (especially in the northeast), secondly you don't have a marquee draw like a blend or stack on a massive screen. Finally, Cliff and William have been able to pull these off because they were part of the community for a long time and were personal friends with many of the attendees. Cliff's last meet took place during a Hi-Fi expo in Indy so guys like Crab and Curt who were attending the show for professional purposes could kill two birds with one stone. Cliff's larger than life personality also made people want to come to what they knew would be an all-night frat party.
Meets aren't easy to pull off, a lot of things need to align and there's almost always some type of obstacle to deal with.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | greg9518lc wrote: | | haireez wrote: | I wish that this meet up is in Asia so that I could be there as well but to fly from Singapore to USA is too expensive or even get me a G90 for that matter.
Anyway, hope to get the feedback from this meet up. |
Looks at this time the meet might be cancelled only 2 confirmed so looks like
CRT is dead for even the enthusiast. |
CRT isn't dead but to draw people to an event on Columbus day weekend is going to be difficult. For one, that's a major travel weekend (especially in the northeast), secondly you don't have a marquee draw like a blend or stack on a massive screen. Finally, Cliff and William have been able to pull these off because they were part of the community for a long time and were personal friends with many of the attendees. Cliff's last meet took place during a Hi-Fi expo in Indy so guys like Crab and Curt who were attending the show for professional purposes could kill two birds with one stone. Cliff's larger than life personality also made people want to come to what they knew would be an all-night frat party.
Meets aren't easy to pull off, a lot of things need to align and there's almost always some type of obstacle to deal with. |
Justin hit the nail on the head, here. I don't mean to be negative or condescending, but here are a couple of things I see from casually watching this thread over time.
First, there are the personalities. With all due respect Greg, I don't know you from Adam. I don't remember you from the old days, and all I see is that you joined just this year, made 100 or so posts in Marquee threads, then invited people to a meet. That's just what it looks like from the outside, anyway.
Cliffy's meets - and really most home theater meets are basically a party - a bunch of friends getting together - and it just happens that one of the common bonds is CRT and/or home theater. In Cliffy's case, his home theater and the stack was a draw, but it wasn't the reason people traveled across the country. What was the reason was friendship, camaraderie, and people coming together to nurture long-lasting friendships and wanting to meet people they'd known for years chatting on the forum. This forum is how I met Cliff, Curt, Justin, Athanasios, Garen, Arlie, Don Kellogg, Don Wallace, and a dozen more people. Many of us have been chatting on this forum more the better part of a decade.
Then, there's the approach. Instead of "PM me if you want to attend," it should be "Anybody who wants to attend, post up with your plans!" Then, it's entirely open and transparent who is interested in coming and who isn't. From that, you can keep a running list of committed attendees for all to see in a post; that builds interest and excitement. I still don't know who's coming. Who are the two who committed?
| CurtPalme wrote: | I don't really think that's it. There's been more hostility between CRT owners, bashing each other and digital guys in the last 2 years or so than there has ever been in the 18 years that I've been involved with CRT online.. I think that's affected who would show up at a communal meet.
That wasn't the case when Cliff was hosting the meets, at least that's my perception. |
I think you may be getting old and losing your memory, Curt. 
I think there was plenty of digital-bashing back in the day, and even some hostility. Maybe even more so, as there were way more staunch CRT advocates, and more consternation about people leaving CRT. That ship has sailed at this point. Speaking of that, there's a big difference. Look at the number of people who have moved on from CRT to digital. I guess I disagree with Justin somewhat on this point. There were what, a couple of dozen active posters here five years ago with CRT projectors, and dozens more that just weren't posting. How many hard-core CRT'ers are left at this point that ever post? A dozen?
Still, I think the biggest difference is the personalities and the relationships that were fostered over many years here. It's not the same group of people now as it was five or ten years ago. It's just not the same.
Oh, we're older now, too.
Cheers,
SC
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jbmeyer13
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I think there was plenty of digital-bashing back in the day, and even some hostility. Maybe even more so, as there were way more staunch CRT advocates, and more consternation about people leaving CRT. That ship has sailed at this point. Speaking of that, there's a big difference. Look at the number of people who have moved on from CRT to digital. I guess I disagree with Justin somewhat on this point. There were what, a couple of dozen active posters here five years ago with CRT projectors, and dozens more that just weren't posting. How many hard-core CRT'ers are left at this point that ever post? A dozen?
Still, I think the biggest difference is the personalities and the relationships that were fostered over many years here. It's not the same group of people now as it was five or ten years ago. It's just not the same.
Oh, we're older now, too.
Cheers,
SC |
I also wonder how much the problems in the OT forum have contributed to this. There's been a lot of fractured relationships, high profile members banned, etc. and that means there's a number of people who no longer post accordingly. Kurt, Nash, Roco, Mac, Redfox are just but a handful who are no longer active for various reasons on this forum.
Furthermore, a lot of us are around the same age and as we get older the demands of family/job become much more of an issue. IMO, to achieve a really good CRT set up requires a LOT more time than a digital. I've been going through that now as I build my new theater and while I'm excited to see the end result, I'm honestly not looking fwd to hours of calibration. There's a fair number of people who went digital simply because they no longer have the wherewithall to deal with CRT projectors. I no longer post with the same frequency because my life circumstances have changed and building this new theater has been what's brought me back to the forum.
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Curt Palme
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Good posts, Steve and JB. I did find it interesting that the tide seemed to turn when I banned Kurt, who was actively badmouthing me on my own forum (and continues to this day elsewhere), and Diddern, who contributed absolutely nothing except bash CRT without knowing what he speaks about (and continues to do so over at avs.)
I did get some negative feedback as a result from others, saying that I was wrong in banning them, but I stand by my decision, for the reasons stated above.
To me, (and I agree with SC), there has been digital bashing for the entire time, but typically not with the vitriol and hatred that I've seen in the last couple of years. Ditto for varying CRT brand owners, while it hasn't been specifically stated, I was getting a message of 'you don't own XXX brand of projectors with XXX mods, so eff you' type of thing. That just doesn't interest me whatsoever. While I staunchly defended CRT for years, if someone at this point is all proud of a $500 Costco digital in their home, I smile, and say 'yes, it looks great'. Trust me, I've seen many horrible home theater setups over the years. 
BTW, I talk to Roco on a regular basis..
Also BTW, the people and business on this forum is a tiny sliver of my CRT sales and support. Business due to word of mouth and business referrals is way up compared to 5 years ago, probably in thanks to even large corporations having to save money who can't just drop a few million $$ to upgrade their CRT systems. I'm good with that.
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gjaky
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First, there are the personalities. With all due respect Greg, I don't know you from Adam. I don't remember you from the old days, and all I see is that you joined just this year, made 100 or so posts in Marquee threads, then invited people to a meet. That's just what it looks like from the outside, anyway.
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I think he changed identity, he was formerly GREG1292, and is a member from 2006.
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greg9518lc
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | greg9518lc wrote: | | haireez wrote: | I wish that this meet up is in Asia so that I could be there as well but to fly from Singapore to USA is too expensive or even get me a G90 for that matter.
Anyway, hope to get the feedback from this meet up. |
Looks at this time the meet might be cancelled only 2 confirmed so looks like
CRT is dead for even the enthusiast. |
CRT isn't dead but to draw people to an event on Columbus day weekend is going to be difficult. For one, that's a major travel weekend (especially in the northeast), secondly you don't have a marquee draw like a blend or stack on a massive screen. Finally, Cliff and William have been able to pull these off because they were part of the community for a long time and were personal friends with many of the attendees. Cliff's last meet took place during a Hi-Fi expo in Indy so guys like Crab and Curt who were attending the show for professional purposes could kill two birds with one stone. Cliff's larger than life personality also made people want to come to what they knew would be an all-night frat party.
Meets aren't easy to pull off, a lot of things need to align and there's almost always some type of obstacle to deal with. |
I agree and all good points got to see Cliffs stack in person and really was not that good but the eye is in the beholder. I was all
prepared to be wowed but for some reason wasn't. Maybe because it looked low resolution.
Sure I will get flamed for those remarks but call it as I see it. And your right about a frat party have no interest in that but to go toe to toe with a 4K digital.
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Curt Palme
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Nah, I won't flame you, but the above post I think summarizes why I have no interest in attending a meet like this. I don't think I'm alone given the lack of response.
I would have interest in attending a geek meet to check out performance, but to attack a system that pretty much was the world industry standard for many years isn't going to attract me to check out a system that is supposed to be better. Honey.. flies.. type of thing. To each their own though.
So get the 4K digital, do a bunch of test patterns, and post screen shots. That will say volumes, as long as the picture taker can take good screen shots.
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greg9518lc
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| Curt Palme wrote: | Nah, I won't flame you, but the above post I think summarizes why I have no interest in attending a meet like this. I don't think I'm alone given the lack of response.
I would have interest in attending a geek meet to check out performance, but to attack a system that pretty much was the world industry standard for many years isn't going to attract me to check out a system that is supposed to be better. Honey.. flies.. type of thing. To each their own though.
So get the 4K digital, do a bunch of test patterns, and post screen shots. That will say volumes, as long as the picture taker can take good screen shots. |
Don't worry about that I will take care of that you can rest assure and yes I was Greg1292 but I now have a 9518lc.
So yes it will be a test pattern geek fest time to dis spell the myths about crt.
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Spanky Ham
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Even though I was flamed over on AVS, I would still have considered attending if my schedule allowed.
Curt, JB and Steve have pretty much covered it, but I think the big CRT meets are done. Cliffys was attended by a lot of people, because I think a lot of us thought it was the end of big CRT meets and the end of Cliffy's stack. Unfortunately I think that is true. Dr Dog had a meet almost two years ago and it wasn't a big meet. Rocco, Kurt and I were the only long distance CRTers in attendance. Haflich came and his guest Seegs was in town to see his Sony 1100 not for the meet. Seaton came to calibrate and there were two local guys (one of which was there to see Seaton). Hell, Clarence didn't even come and he lives 15 minutes away.
It should be remembered that Arli tried to do a Cliffy remembrance meet last year with no takers.
Right now, Rocco wants to do something next year. I would try to go to that to see Rocco and I have never been to northern NM. Ditto if Curt has a meet. Dr Dog talked about a meet, but I guess NASA has him tied up. Of course, I am not sure if he wants me yelling at him about his Frankenparker pjs.
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jbmeyer13
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | Of course, I am not sure if he wants me yelling at him about his Frankenparker pjs. |
LMAO- I told Mike those things were cursed
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greg9518lc
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After talking with Kurt he would like to wait until Gijakys boards are finalized. They are working and
have great bandwidth with a few minor hiccups. Not bad for the first prototypes. As it stands I was
told expect these boards surpass a MP vim which is very good and will take the video chain to another level
with very little mods to the neck cards. So looks like everyone can have a reference video chain that
will be consistent across the board. A true video standard for the Marquee. We have also figured out the
Lug neck boards so this will bold well for Barco owners as well. This will transform blends and stacks as well.
Thanks for all the interest in the thread and hope to see some of you at the meet.
I will update the meet thread to early spring 2017 for the unveiling of Gijaky Mods. If they are finished sooner
we will try to move the meet up. There will be 1 whole day spent on how to install the mods call it a work shop
and 1 day for testing and analyzing test patterns.
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racerxnet
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Do you actually think that the crowd will grow from having new boards on the PJ? Just asking, because I would bet that the low turn out is due the the abrasive gestures from you. It is great to have a opinion, but even greater when one bites his tongue. Let the people decide what they like and move on. That said, my 8 inch is a piece of crap compared to any 9". But, I am still interested in how the results turn out for you. If they couple up with the MP boards, wonderful! If not, neck cards in stock form are dirt cheap. It would be nice to KNOW how the MP mods work with the cards.
We are your comrades in a digital age. There are fewer who want to mess with the CRT though.
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cmjohnson
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Please reveal what you have found regarding what versions of Marquee neck cards work best with LUG tubes,
and if possible show pictures of the version that works best.
I'm NOT asking you to reveal the new modded cards, just identify and show the "stock" type of card that is best for LUGs.
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racerxnet
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| cmjohnson wrote: | Please reveal what you have found regarding what versions of Marquee neck cards work best with LUG tubes,
and if possible show pictures of the version that works best.
I'm NOT asking you to reveal the new modded cards, just identify and show the "stock" type of card that is best for LUGs. |
You would think with the dying CRT that information about picture improvements would be shared.
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mp20748
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| greg9518lc wrote: | After talking with Kurt he would like to wait until Gijakys boards are finalized. They are working and
have great bandwidth with a few minor hiccups. Not bad for the first prototypes. As it stands I was
told expect these boards surpass a MP vim which is very good and will take the video chain to another level
with very little mods to the neck cards. So looks like everyone can have a reference video chain that
will be consistent across the board. A true video standard for the Marquee. We have also figured out the
Lug neck boards so this will bold well for Barco owners as well. This will transform blends and stacks as well.
Thanks for all the interest in the thread and hope to see some of you at the meet.
I will update the meet thread to early spring 2017 for the unveiling of Gijaky Mods. If they are finished sooner
we will try to move the meet up. There will be 1 whole day spent on how to install the mods call it a work shop
and 1 day for testing and analyzing test patterns. |
I think the culture here has yet be be understood concerning this Meet, and that is most likely why the attendee count is low.
And that is what Curt, SC and a few others have pointed out. The meets in the pasts were never boasted to present something from one forum member being better than another, or as a place to prove one is better. It has primarily been a gathering of forum members for the sake of getting together and being able to place a face with the person you've known over some time on the forum and to have good clean fun.
As I've mentioned before, any meet where I felt it had wrong intent or someone was showing up with intentions of anything other than would be suitable for a good environment for food and good fellowship, I won't attend.
Boasting about one person boards being better and indicating that is the purpose of the meet is not going get any of the old diehards here to attend this event. They are just too mature for that kind of gathering, because no one wants to go great distances to be part of hidden agendas and to deal with the unknown when it appears it could be either exposing someone or what they do. Posting about an event and also indicating that it has a hidden agenda will loose almost anyone that I know who hangs out here.
Anyway, I'm not saying it should not happen. I only hope the tone of presenting this meet changes so it could happen.
And any reference to any mods at this point in time being better than what I've done so far is pointless for a lot of reasons...
I hope it happens, but wish the tone and tenure of contention will be removed from any further discussions as to help get others to attend. I think it would be a good idea to have a CRT meet, but the air of good fellowship and fun should be the primary reason for having it.
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gjaky
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| racerxnet wrote: | | It would be nice to KNOW how the MP mods work with the cards. |
The simple answer is: noways.
Here is why: Mike does mods for more than 10 years, his mods obiously have changed with the time, and he is the only one who knows what he did to the boards. Most of the time he even used some black paint to hide the details of the mods.
For me, having an MP modded board to mate with my board is difficult because I have no idea what that MP modded board is, it might work, it might not, and if it is not working well then who's to blame it's no man's land.
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racerxnet
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| gjaky wrote: | | racerxnet wrote: | | It would be nice to KNOW how the MP mods work with the cards. |
The simple answer is: noways.
Here is why: Mike does mods for more than 10 years, his mods obiously have changed with the time, and he is the only one who knows what he did to the boards. Most of the time he even used some black paint to hide the details of the mods.
For me, having an MP modded board to mate with my board is difficult because I have no idea what that MP modded board is, it might work, it might not, and if it is not working well then who's to blame it's no man's land. |
We will have to wait for the word as to which neck cards are best suited for you mods to work then. Thanks for your answer.
Mak
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