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km987654
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:46 pm Post subject: Barco Cine 8 latest firmware |
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Does anyone know what the last version of the Cine 8 firmware was?
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km987654
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:46 am Post subject: |
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kal
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km987654
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| kal wrote: | For what it's worth, it doesn't matter. Barco projectors are not like smart phones where you want to always make sure you're running the latest firmware.
Firmware updates are only to enable newer hardware features. So whatever firmware your Barco is running, is the right firmware to be running.
Kal |
In the past I have found that Barco made changes in its firmware that affects things like the projectors ability to focus even though there didn't appear to be any change in the menu items, this may have been to accommodate different hardware versions, with visible improvements in focus. There are also things like IRIS which as you know went from version 2 to 3 without a change in hardware.
I am not comfortable that Barco documented and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes.
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kal
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | | In the past I have found that Barco made changes in its firmware that affects things like the projectors ability to focus even though there didn't appear to be any change in the menu items, this may have been to accommodate different hardware versions, with visible improvements in focus. |
This is the first time I've heard of something like this. Where did you see or read this?
If it were true, my same logic holds: If there was newer hardware then there would have been newer firmware to accommodate the hardware changes so whatever version of firmware you have, it's the right one to have. Replacing it won't do anything or bring any improvements.
| Quote: | | There are also things like IRIS which as you know went from version 2 to 3 without a change in hardware. |
Yes - that's true from what I hear. So I stand corrected: You can get something in software for nothing.  They added things like geometry in v3 I believe.
Now that said, you can always do a much better job by hand. Anyone looking for the best possible setup shouldn't be using IRIS.
| Quote: | | I am not comfortable that Barco documented and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes. |
Why? Where did they make this public?
Kal
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km987654
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| kal wrote: | | km987654 wrote: | | In the past I have found that Barco made changes in its firmware that affects things like the projectors ability to focus even though there didn't appear to be any change in the menu items, this may have been to accommodate different hardware versions, with visible improvements in focus. |
This is the first time I've heard of something like this. Where did you see or read this?
If it were true, my same logic holds: If there was newer hardware then there would have been newer firmware to accommodate the hardware changes so whatever version of firmware you have, it's the right one to have. Replacing it won't do anything or bring any improvements.
| Quote: | | There are also things like IRIS which as you know went from version 2 to 3 without a change in hardware. |
Yes - that's true from what I hear. So I stand corrected: You can get something in software for nothing. They added things like geometry in v3 I believe.
Now that said, you can always do a much better job by hand. Anyone looking for the best possible setup shouldn't be using IRIS.
| Quote: | | I am not comfortable that Barco documented and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes. |
Why? Where did they make this public?
Kal |
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Is it really so hard to believe that there may be undocumented changes or improvements from one firmware version to another? The projectors were produced over a long period of time and I am sure Barco learned a few new things along the way and we do have different firmware versions. Those changes in firmware may well have been to accommodate new hardware but as we have seen with IRIS and LIMO Pro not always.
Anyway I would like to find out so if anyone know the last Cine 8 firmware version let me know.
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kal
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Is it really so hard to believe that there may be undocumented changes or improvements from one firmware version to another? |
Features that would make a noticeable difference without associated changes to hardware? Yes. In other words, the ability for someone to load a newer firmware into their existing unit and see noticeable improvements I would expect to be nil, which is why I originally mentioned that it's not something we should worry about.
You never answered my questions so I'll ask again:
| km987654 wrote: | | In the past I have found that Barco made changes in its firmware that affects things like the projectors ability to focus even though there didn't appear to be any change in the menu items, this may have been to accommodate different hardware versions, with visible improvements in focus. |
This is the first time I've heard of something like this so I'm surprised. Where did you see or read this?
| Quote: | | I am not comfortable that Barco documented and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes. |
Why do you not like that they made this info public? Where did they make this public? (I've never seen it). Or did you mean you're not comfortable that Barco DID NOT document and make public these changes?
Again, in all my years in documenting this site and spending hundreds of hours scouring the internet for CRT content (especially Barco since I owned a BG800 then a Cine 8/808s) I've never seen them document any of this so I'm curious where you're finding this info. I'd like to update the site with whatever you have.
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km987654
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| kal wrote: | | Quote: | | Is it really so hard to believe that there may be undocumented changes or improvements from one firmware version to another? |
Features that would make a noticeable difference without associated changes to hardware? Yes. In other words, the ability for someone to load a newer firmware into their existing unit and see noticeable improvements I would expect to be nil, which is why I originally mentioned that it's not something we should worry about.
You never answered my questions so I'll ask again:
| km987654 wrote: | | In the past I have found that Barco made changes in its firmware that affects things like the projectors ability to focus even though there didn't appear to be any change in the menu items, this may have been to accommodate different hardware versions, with visible improvements in focus. |
This is the first time I've heard of something like this so I'm surprised. Where did you see or read this?
| Quote: | | I am not comfortable that Barco documented and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes. |
Why do you not like that they made this info public? Where did they make this public? (I've never seen it). Or did you mean you're not comfortable that Barco DID NOT document and make public these changes?
Again, in all my years in documenting this site and spending hundreds of hours scouring the internet for CRT content (especially Barco since I owned a BG800 then a Cine 8/808s) I've never seen them document any of this so I'm curious where you're finding this info. I'd like to update the site with whatever you have.
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Its the undocumented changes that I am trying to determine. I noticed that moving to Firmware version 7.61 from an earlier version improved the projectors focus, Barco also changed the way the projectors memory operated without changing the hardware in this firmware version. I also know that features in IRIS and LIMO Pro are only accessible with the later firmware even though both of those devices will operate in projectors with older firmware. Whatever undocumented changes Barco made are just that undocumented and therefore not public.
You say that you expect no improvements when changing firmware with the same hardware well I believe that that is wrong. I am also looking at the best board and firmware combinations to see what differences that might make. Barco used the same part number for boards that are physically different like the attached image shows. Both of these boards are from the same model projector, have the same part number yet are physically different, I can't see that Barco put version numbers on boards.
You have no evidence whatsoever that Barco didn't make undocumented changes. Your only clue that you are relying on is that you haven't heard or found any information that there are undocumented changes to firmware well thats to be expected to some extent as they are undocumented and I don't believe anyone has really looked. It seems that anyone looking for improvements wants to make board modifications. I believe there may be hidden improvements in firmware.
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You're not reading what you wrote yourself. I'll ask a third time:
You wrote above that "Barco documented and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware".
I've never heard of them documenting and making public their changes.
I'm asking you where you're getting info that "Barco documented and made public all of the changes". If they did, show me, as I'd like to add it to the website. It would indeed be useful.
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km987654
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| kal wrote: | You're not reading what you wrote yourself. I'll ask a third time:
You wrote above that "Barco documented and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware".
I've never heard of them documenting and making public their changes.
I'm asking you where you're getting info that "Barco documented and made public all of the changes". If they did, show me, as I'd like to add it to the website. It would indeed be useful.
Kal |
Well I see the problem in that you should put your glasses on first and then read. What actually said was
"I am not comfortable that Barco documented and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes."
You have changed the context of my comment by only quoting the section you have.
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km987654
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I am saying Barco did not document all changes it made to firmware. Your cut and paste of my words suggests that Barco did document and make public those changes. No confusion there.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:49 am Post subject: |
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@*#$&#!$!
There is no cut and paste error. As you said your entire sentence is:
"I am not comfortable that Barco documented and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes."
You missed a couple of words. What you meant say is:
"I am not comfortable that Barco DID NOT document and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes."
Those two sentences have the opposite meaning.
Hence the reason for all the confusion I had.
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| kal wrote: | @*#$&#!$!
There is no cut and paste error. As you said your entire sentence is:
"I am not comfortable that Barco documented and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes."
You missed a couple of words. What you meant say is:
"I am not comfortable that Barco DID NOT document and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes."
Those two sentences have the opposite meaning.
Hence the reason for all the confusion I had.
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I can't believe we are having this discussion. All I want is a copy of whatever the latest firmware is for a Cine 8. Its really not your concern Kal. Having said that its your interpretation of my words that is at fault.
"I am not comfortable that Barco documented and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes."
That says they never bothered to document the changes at all let alone make them public.
"I am not comfortable that Barco DID NOT document and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes."
There are two negatives in your sentence which means you are saying that barco did document and make public those changes???WTF
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| kal wrote: | @*#$&#!$!
There is no cut and paste error. As you said your entire sentence is:
"I am not comfortable that Barco documented and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes."
You missed a couple of words. What you meant say is:
"I am not comfortable that Barco DID NOT document and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes."
Those two sentences have the opposite meaning.
Hence the reason for all the confusion I had.
Kal |
Maybe because I'm not a native english speaker, but I understand that sentence same as Keith. 
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km987654
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Oh I just had to laugh. Lets just move on 
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | "I am not comfortable that Barco documented and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes."
That says they never bothered to document the changes at all let alone make them public. |
Err, no it doesn't.
It says that *you* do not like the fact that *Barco* documented and make public their changes.
| Quote: | "I am not comfortable that Barco DID NOT document and made public all of the changes it made to hardware and firmware or the effects of those changes."
There are two negatives in your sentence which means you are saying that barco did document and make public those changes???WTF |
No. That is incorrect.The two negatives do not relate to each other. The first not relates to you (you are not comfortable). The second to Barco (Barco did not). They are not related.
So that's why I was confused. I had no idea why you didn't like the fact Barco released details (which I thought they had not).
Seems we're on the same page now.
Or maybe I'm going crazy and have been having a brain aneurysm for ~2 days now. Can anyone who's primarily English speaking make sure I'm not going nuts here?
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Kal
You are just plain wrong. Even if you have trouble understanding the original post i have made it quite clear what that sentence means yet you persist that you are right. You are not right and further its not your concern why i or anybody else might want something.
If i am not comfortable that something has happened then that means i believe that it did not.
Ask someone who understands the language before you continue as I am not comfortable that you are looking to bright at this point.
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| km987654 wrote: | | If i am not comfortable that something has happened then that means i believe that it did not. |
Interesting. This must be an Australian thing. In North America it does not. I'll have to try and remember that as I deal with a lot of Australians through a different website I run.
| Quote: | | Ask someone who understands the language before you continue as I am not comfortable that you are looking to bright at this point. |
That should be "too bright". Common mistake.
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Ha i put the to versus the too in to see if you would nit pick and you did. Not sure what you are going through but good luck.
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