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K-L-O
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Hello Curt,
Yes, I dis suspect the video input and initial video path for the same reason, but since this the first CineMax in the house I don't even know if there is a missing board or cable. This is the reason I posted the pics, just to be sure it is a least complete 
I will keep in mind your offer however as I explained before I bought this unit from an Europen seller who usually sale parts over ebay and here. He promised me it was in perfect working condition and I expect He will honour his word. 
He is active over here as a part's seller, which gave him a bit of credibility (in my mind) and I lowered the guard.
When I ordered shipping I discovered the pj wasn't even in his house.
It arrived with the green tube scanning the opposite of the others. Who sane in mind and serious about his job (or hobby)would ship a projector with tubes scanning like mads to a new buyer ???
This is not a good "business card". 
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Curt Palme
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Hulio is right, the set is complete ( I didn't see the pictures when I posted above. you don't need port 3 or the LIMO board, so you're good to go. I have had the video boards fail before, so that could be the issue.
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redfox001
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The only way I could get something to sync with my Max was to use a t connector on h and v sync but often rgbhv would just not sync. The hdfury 2 worked with a power supply only. Your rgbhv source needs to be set to positive sync if I remember well. On the fury the sync should be positive too did you play with that? You can put in a 808s input board if you have a spare. Think 1209 works too. The driver is not compatible.
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Curt Palme
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Until you verify that the projector is working with the input, I would not use the Fury and HDMI inputs. Use a VGA to RGBHV cable to run a computer to the projector at 1024 X 768. Once that works, then go back to the Fury. I have a feeling the projector is just fine.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Ummm... Fan controller IS there, seen in his first pic...
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| redfox001 wrote: | | The only way I could get something to sync with my Max was to use a t connector on h and v sync but often rgbhv would just not sync. The hdfury 2 worked with a power supply only. Your rgbhv source needs to be set to positive sync if I remember well. On the fury the sync should be positive too did you play with that? You can put in a 808s input board if you have a spare. Think 1209 works too. The driver is not compatible. |
Ive never ever struck that with mine at all. It would take both positive and negative sync, combined sync, seperate sync, and whatever else i tried. It all worked.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Hulio wrote: | The two missing boards are LimoPro and input 3 card ( you was not trying to use port 3 do you, cause that would explain your lack of picture...). Not such a drama, it is even recomanded to remove them. Use a scaller or computer instead of that stone-age internal LiMoPro and port 3 slot should be use for a internal Moome card.
The other thing missing is the fan speed-regulator on the rear fans ( R763706 ). Pull the front tray out and post a picture of it, please. A second fan speed-regulator should be there too, for the front fans.
The mains filter is not behind the rear fans neither, but i see it was moved to the left side by the previous owner.
Don't worry about the yellow cables, they look allright. Those four wires from the internal remote should go trough that black plastic ring. Else they could be striped from opening each time the moduled lid. Chassis edges are sharp.
I'm sure you should be able to get a picture out of that baby. Could be something silly, like a poor contact somewhere from during transportation. Pull out and reinsert all the cards and connectors one by one. Sometimes it helps... |
The mains filter is exactly where mine is. The CineMAX is different at the rear panel to a basic 909, by quite a bit.
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redfox001
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | The only way I could get something to sync with my Max was to use a t connector on h and v sync but often rgbhv would just not sync. The hdfury 2 worked with a power supply only. Your rgbhv source needs to be set to positive sync if I remember well. On the fury the sync should be positive too did you play with that? You can put in a 808s input board if you have a spare. Think 1209 works too. The driver is not compatible. |
Ive never ever struck that with mine at all. It would take both positive and negative sync, combined sync, seperate sync, and whatever else i tried. It all worked. |
Part of the problem might be the vga to rgbhv cable. You have much better ones. I have tried two input boards the last was mp modified both had different problems. On my 809 everything synced fine. Guess I should have tried that input board too but with the moome this problem was solved.
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Hulio
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | Ummm... Fan controller IS there, seen in his first pic... |
Casey, the controller for the horizontal deflection fan is there indeed but the speed regulator from the left-side is missing.
Also, the mains filter should be between the fans. You can see from the 5-th picture of this topic that this filter was removed from the fan-house and has been monted on the far left-side of the chassis. Nothing wrong with it, even beter for the airflow i would say but the extra fan board should be there to sense the chassis outgoing air temp.
If your CineMax looks the same, it has been moded by the previous owner too. From factory, all Barco CineMax/Cine 9/Runco DTV1200 looks like in this pic.
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redfox001
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I do not have such a left board on my Cine Max and in my case the mains filter is to the side too.
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redfox001
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Fanboard in the convergence tray.
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Hulio
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Well, that' odd. A second board, similar to that in your convergence tray ( R763706 ) should be on the rear fans too.
There are two reasons for this:
1. Your, Case's and K-L-O's projectors were owned by the same person ( from an small island close to Madagascar ) and has been moded.
2. They are early versions, before Barco completely finished the Cine 9 design of the fan circuit.
Here a pic. of a late Runco DTV 1200.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| redfox001 wrote: | I do not have such a left board on my Cine Max and in my case the mains filter is to the side too.
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So is mine, and only one fan controller is there.
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| redfox001 wrote: | I do not have such a left board on my Cine Max and in my case the mains filter is to the side too.
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So is mine, and only one fan controller is there.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Hulio wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | Ummm... Fan controller IS there, seen in his first pic... |
Casey, the controller for the horizontal deflection fan is there indeed but the speed regulator from the left-side is missing.
Also, the mains filter should be between the fans. You can see from the 5-th picture of this topic that this filter was removed from the fan-house and has been monted on the far left-side of the chassis. Nothing wrong with it, even beter for the airflow i would say but the extra fan board should be there to sense the chassis outgoing air temp.
If your CineMax looks the same, it has been moded by the previous owner too. From factory, all Barco CineMax/Cine 9/Runco DTV1200 looks like in this pic. |
Mine has the filter in the outer edge, and it was never moved. There was only ever one fan controller in the rear, mine also never had two. There is no evidence of its removal.
Seems unusual that 3 of us would have the exact same layout, where as my 909 is totally different, even the mainboard is different.
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redfox001
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Perhaps the fancontroll is part of the mainboard?
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Curt Palme
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | The only way I could get something to sync with my Max was to use a t connector on h and v sync but often rgbhv would just not sync. The hdfury 2 worked with a power supply only. Your rgbhv source needs to be set to positive sync if I remember well. On the fury the sync should be positive too did you play with that? You can put in a 808s input board if you have a spare. Think 1209 works too. The driver is not compatible. |
Ive never ever struck that with mine at all. It would take both positive and negative sync, combined sync, seperate sync, and whatever else i tried. It all worked. |
I agree. The set does look to be modded to some degree.. Barco doesn't use wire ties for the fan wiring, and the board isn't in a place that I've seen before, and I've had maybe 50 Barco 909 sets (and similar versions) though here, and have never seen that. Still, that doesn't affect the video signal and sync. Run a laptop VGA output into the set to see what happens.
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redfox001
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Mine has some modification for the powerline in the back as he made it in a way that the next Cine max could get power from this one. Also there was a hdmi input on the back with some cabling.
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Hulio
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| redfox001 wrote: | | Perhaps the fancontroll is part of the mainboard? |
Nope. Definitely not on the mainboard. The left rear fan should be connected to a similar speed regulator like the one in the convergence tray. And that regulator is connected with the mainboard.
Look at that metal plate behind the fans: the holes for the board and the mains filter are there.
Your machines were moded guys. Here the schematics of the new fan circuit from Cine 9.
Aside, like Curt said, this doesn't have anything to do with the problem of the topic starter. He should get a picture.
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redfox001
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Thanks for the schematic. First thing I notice is that the board is made around the AD7416 (digital temp sensor) that can be bought for 3 euro on ebay.
Second thing is that reading the schematic I see indeed that this board is used on the rear but the connection to the controller is not there. In the tray there is a connection to the controller. So I am wondering what the board does on the rear without being read by the controller? The fan sense pin is read by the controller in both cases with or without the extra board.
Do you have a detailed schematic of the board itself?
It seems that in the tray the board is giving temp vallues to the controller. In the rear it is not read but it still regulates the fans I guess. That makes me think that the regulation is not done by the controller and that the read vallues are just to alarm the user.
If so than this board can operate without the controller and the only difference is that the user will not know the temp or get a warning. In the case of a fail the controller will know and shut down.
I think I will look at the board tomorrow to know for sure if it can regulate the fans without the controller. If so we can build it into a 909 regardless of the software and still have less fan noise.
(by the way in the rear it only regulates one fan close to the RGB driver)
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