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cosaw
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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Location: Nottingham, England
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | i enjoy the sport of being smart with budget shopping |
I agree that everyone likes a bargain - and that's fair enough. As long as you don't tread on anyone elses toes. As you suggest it seems that you're just about in the best place to get hold of used Barco equipment and so that makes a lot of sense.
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barcodude
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Location: The Netherlands
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cosaw
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
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Location: Australia
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They may well do, and my balls are all purple at the moment after that operation i had 36 hours ago. Hopefully im out of hospital today.
I do infact own a Barco, a CineMAX, and sure theyre ok, but they have a few shortcoming dont they.... I will get around to building a BarNEC one of these days.
I like movies too, and technical stuff...
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Barco Cine 9, ,Sony VPL570ES 4K SXRD, 135" OZ Theatre Majestic 16:9 screen, Denon X6700in preamp mode, 2x 7ch Tonewinner amps, 2x Tonewinner 15" subs, 2x 10" subs, 7.2.6...
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cosaw
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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Location: Nottingham, England
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Send me that rubbish CineMax of yours already - you really don't sound enthused about it at all. What's your main install, what do you use most, your Barco or your NEC? What do you use them both for? It seems you're a big gamer but do you watch a lot of movies and if so on what machine?
So if it wasn't in jest, what bits of the Barco would you keep to build your "BarNEC"? Yes we've already ruled out the HV chain! What's next to go or keep? Not much to keep I'm guessing. Oh, also not forgetting, what would you take from the NEC? I read their convergence is supposed to be second to none but that's about all I know.
You're obviously holding onto the Barco for some reason, what is that reason? I guess they're holding their value, are they (tubes alone I suppose)? What would you replace the Barco with? Surely you want to upgrade the Barco? At the least, you sound very indifferent about it and surely you've got to want to offload it sooner rather than later?
Sorry if it's a lot of questions, it just intrigues me, and to an extent, I wonder what motivates you. Is it just like me and you find it hard to get rid of things whether they're top of the range or even only middle of the range?? Edit: I'm not saying the CineMax is middle of the range, before that inadvertently inflames anyones passions, maybe Case thinks otherwise, but I doubt it.
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Haha!! The Barco is the main install. The 1080p image is definately sharper on the Barco, but anything lower is not. The XG is a hell of a beast right out of the box.
The BarNEC will consist of a 909 bare chassis with complete XG internals and P19 tubes with HFQ900s. Something someone shouldve done long ago!!
Personally i think youve got half the right idea about my stance, but youre missing a fair bit of it. The Barco CineMAX is a great projector and throws a great image. The part that really dissapoints me though is the reasonably pisspoor convergence system, its only got 81 points for a start, compared to the XG ( and the PG for that matter ) having close to 200 points and much finer steps. The step size on the Barco is too large to ensure pixel perfection corner to corner to corner to corner, where as its very easy with an NEC.
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cosaw
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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Location: Nottingham, England
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The 1080p image is definately sharper on the Barco, but anything lower is not. |
Is that not unusual? Do you understand why that is? Are we talking line structure or horizontal resolution too?
When you do a setup do you do convergence on green first and get the grid as even as possible? A lot of work. I know you can do it roughly of course with plumb line, edges of screen, top and bottom of screen, spirit level/string, tape measure - can quickly go from minimal to exhaustive though.
Has someone not worked out a mod for the CineMax to make the convergence steps smaller?
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Curt Palme
CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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Location: Langley, BC
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | They may well do, and my balls are all purple at the moment after that operation i had 36 hours ago. Hopefully im out of hospital today.
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Dude, they were working on your appendix! if your balls are all purple, they did it wrong! 
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| cosaw wrote: | | Quote: | | The 1080p image is definately sharper on the Barco, but anything lower is not. |
Is that not unusual? Do you understand why that is? Are we talking line structure or horizontal resolution too?
When you do a setup do you do convergence on green first and get the grid as even as possible? A lot of work. I know you can do it roughly of course with plumb line, edges of screen, top and bottom of screen, spirit level/string, tape measure - can quickly go from minimal to exhaustive though.
Has someone not worked out a mod for the CineMax to make the convergence steps smaller? |
Curt was contemplating looking into the reduction of convergence step sizes but he is a busy man. He did tend to agree that it is a fair bit larger than required, and makes pixel perfect alignment very very difficult.
I would expect the CineMAX would do every other resolution as nice as the XG, but its not quite there, and the reason is the convergence, and quite likely that is the only reason. Tight convergence gives tight sharpness.
Yes i am EXTREMELY thorough with convergence, and not to sound too arrogant, but im pretty f***en good at it  You will not find anomallies in my setups as far as convergence and geometry goes, they will be the best you can get with the equipment provided. There is at least one forum member here that can vouch for my convergence with first hand experience of my work on a number of occations.
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | They may well do, and my balls are all purple at the moment after that operation i had 36 hours ago. Hopefully im out of hospital today.
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Dude, they were working on your appendix! if your balls are all purple, they did it wrong! |
Hahahaha!!! Apparently its a normal potential side affect of keyhole surgery they told me, didnt happen when i had my hernia op though 
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cosaw
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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Location: Nottingham, England
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I would expect the CineMAX would do every other resolution as nice as the XG, but its not quite there, and the reason is the convergence, and quite likely that is the only reason. Tight convergence gives tight sharpness. |
I get you - makes sense now.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| cosaw wrote: | | Quote: | | I would expect the CineMAX would do every other resolution as nice as the XG, but its not quite there, and the reason is the convergence, and quite likely that is the only reason. Tight convergence gives tight sharpness. |
I get you - makes sense now. |
Yep, makes perfect sense. The phenominal convergence system everybody used to rave about being so awesome on the Cine 9/909/912 is actually quite inferior to that of a point enabled NEC PG Plain from 1992...
Ill never understand what they were all so excited about.
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UncleWill
Joined: 11 Dec 2012
Posts: 417
Location: Northern Virginia (outside Washington DC)
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Running an 8" set over here. Picked up mine for a song. I probably would have taken a 7" if it was available, but twas not the case. Awesome work though! So long as you enjoy it, that is what matters.
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Curt Palme
CRT Tech
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Location: Langley, BC
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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The deal of the year was the forum member that emailed me about finding a G90 for $100!
Hour count... under 1100!
Damnnnnn!
I did talk another customer out of buying a G70 yesterday for $1000...as is. I sell them for less than that! 
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UncleWill
Joined: 11 Dec 2012
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Location: Northern Virginia (outside Washington DC)
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I did talk another customer out of buying a G70 yesterday for $1000...as is. I sell them for less than that! Very Happy |
Nice!
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barcodude
Joined: 14 Jun 2014
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Location: The Netherlands
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| Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Funny how a thread lives it's own life the main reason for this topic was to reach out to the people who are cool with no nonsense setups for greenhorns like me without scouring the net for picture perfect results and that's where a '7' comes in handy nice results without much work! Ok I admit some grey scale tweaking, some custom resolution settings etc. By the way, if it's not broken don't change it 
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veelangs
Joined: 22 Oct 2014
Posts: 59
Location: Chicago
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Poverty Theaters Unite!
I'm running an Ampro 2600HD, I gotta say I love it. I know it's only 720p but for my laserdiscs and MAME games it works great. Even 1080p blu ray rips or netflix streams look exceptional on it. I don't have a fancy home theater set up or anything, I have a 1br apartment and I just leave my Stewart screen against the wall and my projo underneath my coffee table haha.
I'm a physician in chitown and I found this projo on craigslist, advertised for 50$ but the guy came down to 25$ because he just wanted it all gone. It was a MINT projector, only something like 1200 hours on it when it, he gave me a dream vision scaler with remote(!) and a Stewart Studiotek screen with frame.
Set up:
Ampro 2600HD
Dream vision scaler
amazon hdmi to vga (10$)
hdmi splitter (to remove hdcp from my PS TV) (16$)
Pioneer Laserdisc player (free from the hospital)
SNES/Genesis (childhood)
Speakers I have my Audioengine A2s upfront as monitors and I have a second pair of A2s as my rears (I have a really nice hifi set of Spender SP/1s but that's only for Vinyl/Music)
Video quality is excellent, I used to run a 1080p Pioneer Kuro and the black levels are comparable. Another fun bit of trivia, I love light gun games and my Sega Menacer works just fine! I was totally in shock.
Here's some pics
I keep the scaler and all the cables under the couch, no venting problems and no heat problems with the projo, if it was any bigger I'm sure it would though.
It's really a great screen, I was gonna mount it but I actually kind of like it on the ground. My couch is pretty low slung and I can see the entire image just fine.
Laserdiscs look fantastic on it
So yeah for a very small price I have a full size home theater in my apartment, it doesn't get quite as much use as my Kuro in the bed room, but it gets it's fair share of Mets games and Rangers games!
Even works fine during the day, just draw the blinds and while the image is a bit washed out it is totally watchable. my buddies loved coming over for football, it wasn't distracting being a bit washed out or anything. Excellent!
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Is that one of those tall apt buildings on the water?
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veelangs
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Location: Chicago
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 2:34 am Post subject: |
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yes it's a high rise on lake michigan, why do you ask?
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Spanky Ham
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After driving up 41 to Craig's place and seeing those tall high rises, I just thought it must have been fun getting that Ampro in your apt.
Also, I thought how neat it might have been if you were up above watching your CRT while Curt, Craig and I were down below eating dinner.
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