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km987654



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:34 am    Post subject:

Those pictures are of the control board. The LIMO is a separate board and should be mounted to the left of the control board if your are standing behind the projector.

That cable runs to the switcher board. Remove it from there!!

I looked at that a second ago thinking there are no soldered wires but there is one but as mentioned it can be disconnected from the switcher board. Just remember to re-connect it before power up.
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dentree



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TV/Projector: BARCO GRAPHICS 808 BARCO GRAPHICS 801

Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:52 am    Post subject: Barco Cine 8

I hear you Casey, anything else come to mind?

To me there doesn't much else can be done, except maybe change the paint job!!

Obviously there is an answer to this issue, but it seems to be proving very, very elusive at this point in time, mind you without the thoughts and ideas of you and yours, I would have been rooted long ago, it's an interesting road to go down, but frustrating, however as everything else seems to be functioning at their "normal" adjustment settings, there has to be a solution, I do keep thinking about the "common" factor across the 3 guns, all the focus setting coming out at almost the same values at ZERO,It's a pity that the critical focus point cannot be passed from over to under, at least it would be watchable (though not ideally set electronically) but even at ZERO it doesn't quite get there.

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dentree



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:58 am    Post subject: Barco Cine 8

HI km987654

I do realise where the LIMO board is and that in itself is totally dis-connectable, which I have done and tried out, and as said in the last post, it did not make any difference at all so was then in the process of following your 2nd suggestion until I hit the blue plug.
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dentree



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:10 am    Post subject: Barco Cine 8

HI Casey,

Top center it's the fourth on the right



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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:12 am    Post subject:

No i think that is part of that board, unplug it at the other end
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km987654



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:13 am    Post subject: Re: Barco Cine 8

dentree wrote:
HI km987654

I do realise where the LIMO board is and that in itself is totally dis-connectable, which I have done and tried out, and as said in the last post, it did not make any difference at all so was then in the process of following your 2nd suggestion until I hit the blue plug.


The blue plug has a white plug on the other end of the cable which is on the switcher board. You can remove it from there.
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km987654



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:15 am    Post subject:

You can also leave the Iris board off (the small board attached to the control board) no need to use that for this test. Just change the control board with no other boards plugged in.
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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:20 am    Post subject:

The fact the tubes are not the original part number for that set is probably looking likely at this stage, those part numbers are from the Cine 8 ONYX, and if that set has different focus yokes or deflection yokes that could explain it.
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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:23 am    Post subject:

Original tubes for your set were P16LXV.
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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:25 am    Post subject:

I can send you a P16LJE to test, but im not certain if thatll work in your set without a mod to the neckboard. If anything, the LJEs should be a bit longer in the neck.
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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:25 am    Post subject:

I can send you a P16LJE to test, but im not certain if thatll work in your set without a mod to the neckboard. If anything, the LJEs should be a bit longer in the neck.
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RUNCO DTV991 LC ( NEC XG 852 LC ) 100" 4:3 screen, H/K AVR 7.1...
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dentree



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:32 am    Post subject: Barco Cine 8

I just love a genius!!, but it sounds rather complicated but very feasible in it's theory

So what would be the logical steps to take (if your surmising bear fruit) to rectify the situation, and is it worth the cost, I broke the bank to buy the Cine 8 thinking I was buying insurance...........this could turn out to be an expensive mistake??
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km987654



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:33 am    Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
The fact the tubes are not the original part number for that set is probably looking likely at this stage, those part numbers are from the Cine 8 ONYX, and if that set has different focus yokes or deflection yokes that could explain it.


Certainly could be tubes focus yokes combination. In terms of the focus yokes he has both so just check the part numbers. I would finish swapping the controlers though to eliminate those.


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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:36 am    Post subject:

Yes swaping out tubes and yokes will be a bigger job, if the yokes off the 808s are from 180DMB22s they should fit a P16, provided the focus board is happy to drive them.
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km987654



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:49 am    Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
Yes swaping out tubes and yokes will be a bigger job, if the yokes off the 808s are from 180DMB22s they should fit a P16, provided the focus board is happy to drive them.



Before you go there let us know what happens when you swap controlers.
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dentree



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:45 am    Post subject: b

Changing controllers did nothing at all[/b]
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km987654



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:50 am    Post subject: Re: b

dentree wrote:
Changing controllers did nothing at all[/b]



It does look like its coming down to Tube/Focus yoke combination. At least if you go down the road of fixing this by buying more parts you can at least be satisfied you needed to do that.
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km987654



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:55 am    Post subject:

I was hoping the different software would change the focus characteristics because if it had changed some how your problems could be that you are not running the right version on the firmware on your Cine controller to manage the focus for those tubes but if there is no change at all then this avenue may well also be a waste of time.
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dentree



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:04 am    Post subject: Barco Cine 8

The question was asked regarding deflection yoke and focus yoke numbers, well this is what I have found, although I do not know which numbers count.


BARCO CINE 8

DEFLECTION YOKE DAV7645 H...........1180057

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FOCUS YOKE 1180057 (ALL UNITS)

RED...KT3205.....NTE24
GREEN...KF3205G...RTC13
BLUE...KF3205.....NTE17

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BARCO BG 808

DEFLECTION YOKE DAV7645

BLUE..EBV
GREEN..EHI
RED..EEW
120 VOLT......... ALL UNITS
R9000909......... ALL UNITS
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FOCUS YOKE 1073177.....ALL UNITS

RED.......KOG31
GREEN.......KOE19
BLUE.......KOG31

KF3203......ALL UNITS

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km987654



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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:08 am    Post subject: Re: Barco Cine 8

dentree wrote:
The question was asked regarding deflection yoke and focus yoke numbers, well this is what I have found, although I do not know which numbers count.


BARCO CINE 8

DEFLECTION YOKE DAV7645 H...........1180057

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


FOCUS YOKE 1180057 (ALL UNITS)

RED...KT3205.....NTE24
GREEN...KF3205G...RTC13
BLUE...KF3205.....NTE17

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BARCO BG 808

DEFLECTION YOKE DAV7645

BLUE..EBV
GREEN..EHI
RED..EEW
120 VOLT......... ALL UNITS
R9000909......... ALL UNITS
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FOCUS YOKE 1073177.....ALL UNITS

RED.......KOG31
GREEN.......KOE19
BLUE.......KOG31

KF3203......ALL UNITS

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


It seems those focus yokes have different part numbers so you could swap one of them and see if that changes the focus characteristics of that tube.
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