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kal
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Curt Palme
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Great news!
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cmjohnson
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Do you know if Moome has any plans to release an updated HDMI 1.4 card (supporting up to 4K resolution) for Marquees or anything else? It'd be nice to have the beginnings of a 4K display chain, and giving the rest of the mod crowd some epic challenges with the ultimate goal being to actually display 4K on a CRT projector.
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kal
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Moome announced last year that he was no longer going to make any of the Marquee HDMI 1.3 cards due to lack of interest. They simply were not selling. So they were sold out for quite some time (almost a year IIRC), and it was only due to prodding that he is offering up one last batch again now. The last batch from about a year ago was supposed to be the last one.
I'd be really surprised if he offered any 4K cards for any CRT projector, and if he did, Marquee would probably be his last choice given the low Marquee card sales in the last year or two.
You can always ask of course - you can email him at moome@seed.net.tw or moome.liu@gmail.com
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thewolfman
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I would line up to buy a card like that in a heart beat. But I would need an extended "pre payment" time frame to raise the money If he should double the price, as that in a way constitutes double the interest, because I think whomever are interested in a card like that would easily pay for it, given enough time.
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stridsvognen
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It would be plain stupid to spend money and time making a 4K card for any CRT projector, and with the bandwidth we can tweak out of these old designs, i doubt there will ever be need for more.
These moome card can be tweaked to 200Mhz+ and there is no standard CRT projector out there who will resolve more than max 100Mhz.
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thewolfman
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I think you're stating the obvious here.. without MP and moome, doing their thing, there would be no more progress with CRT.
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jbmeyer13
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| thewolfman wrote: | | I would line up to buy a card like that in a heart beat. But I would need an extended "pre payment" time frame to raise the money If he should double the price, as that in a way constitutes double the interest, because I think whomever are interested in a card like that would easily pay for it, given enough time. |
A) With the exception of modded Marquees no CRT can fully resolve 1920 x 1080p/60 and 4K is utterly impossible
B) There's no 4K Material either (at least not in a meaningful capacity)
Not sure I understand why would you line up (and pay) for a 4K card 
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thewolfman
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | I would line up to buy a card like that in a heart beat. But I would need an extended "pre payment" time frame to raise the money If he should double the price, as that in a way constitutes double the interest, because I think whomever are interested in a card like that would easily pay for it, given enough time. |
A) With the exception of modded Marquees no CRT can fully resolve 1920 x 1080p/60 and 4K is utterly impossible
B) There's no 4K Material either (at least not in a meaningful capacity)
Not sure I understand why would you line up (and pay) for a 4K card |
Makes sense I guess.. I went ahead of myself a bit. But there are 1440p movie trailers out there. And with ripbot you can turn any high resolution trailer into any shape you like. As long as you can DL it, you can turn into any shape you like. Not exactly true 4K.. but rather Faux K as someone once said. It a start at least.
Personally I would have to scale it down to make it fit my 2,35.1 screen.
The new Mad Max movie might hit the top 5 at the box office this year.. trailer with 1440p to accommodate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZsujGuPCWA
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jbmeyer13
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| thewolfman wrote: | | jbmeyer13 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | I would line up to buy a card like that in a heart beat. But I would need an extended "pre payment" time frame to raise the money If he should double the price, as that in a way constitutes double the interest, because I think whomever are interested in a card like that would easily pay for it, given enough time. |
A) With the exception of modded Marquees no CRT can fully resolve 1920 x 1080p/60 and 4K is utterly impossible
B) There's no 4K Material either (at least not in a meaningful capacity)
Not sure I understand why would you line up (and pay) for a 4K card |
Makes sense I guess.. I went ahead of myself a bit. But there are 1440p movie trailers out there. And with ripbot you can turn any high resolution trailer into any shape you like. As long as you can DL it, you can turn into any shape you like. Not exactly true 4K.. but rather Faux K as someone once said. It a start at least.
Personally I would have to scale it down to make it fit my 2,35.1 screen.
The new Mad Max movie might hit the top 5 at the box office this year.. trailer with 1440p to accommodate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZsujGuPCWA |
Tom Hardy always puts out a great performance but this looks like one giant pile of CGI crap. What made the originals so good was the REAL stunt work.
The max res for a 9500LC is theoretically 2500 x 2000. We know the 2500 is pushing it because 1920 is a real problem. However, the 1440 should be within it's grasp.
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thewolfman
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Another way of putting it..
Mad Max 3 nr:1 Mad max 2 nr:2 Mad Max 1 nr:3.
I know.. It takes a toll reading that sentence . 
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thewolfman
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | jbmeyer13 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | I would line up to buy a card like that in a heart beat. But I would need an extended "pre payment" time frame to raise the money If he should double the price, as that in a way constitutes double the interest, because I think whomever are interested in a card like that would easily pay for it, given enough time. |
A) With the exception of modded Marquees no CRT can fully resolve 1920 x 1080p/60 and 4K is utterly impossible
B) There's no 4K Material either (at least not in a meaningful capacity)
Not sure I understand why would you line up (and pay) for a 4K card |
Makes sense I guess.. I went ahead of myself a bit. But there are 1440p movie trailers out there. And with ripbot you can turn any high resolution trailer into any shape you like. As long as you can DL it, you can turn into any shape you like. Not exactly true 4K.. but rather Faux K as someone once said. It a start at least.
Personally I would have to scale it down to make it fit my 2,35.1 screen.
The new Mad Max movie might hit the top 5 at the box office this year.. trailer with 1440p to accommodate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZsujGuPCWA |
Tom Hardy always puts out a great performance but this looks like one giant pile of CGI crap. What made the originals so good was the REAL stunt work.
The max res for a 9500LC is theoretically 2500 x 2000. We know the 2500 is pushing it because 1920 is a real problem. However, the 1440 should be within it's grasp. |
Will give it a try..with a new graphics card and a new monitor will help me getting there.
Mery Xmas!
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stridsvognen
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when your at it try out 2250x1280 55,6hz
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thewolfman
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | when your at it try out 2250x1280 55,6hz |
Will do, 4K, .. but earliest in march. Bills to pay.. green tube, 300,01Mhz+ VNB ect etc.
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stridsvognen
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| thewolfman wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | when your at it try out 2250x1280 55,6hz |
Will do, 4K, .. but earliest in march. Bills to pay.. green tube, 300,01Mhz+ VNB ect etc. |
There is no way you will be able to get 4K at a useful refresh rate into a CRT, and if you did, ill think you have raster ringing from left to right.
The best thing happening to HT was 1:1 pixel mapping.. Needing only minimum of processing to make a image.
For now the goal is to make a CRT resolve a decent 1080P 60hz, not sure many in here have a clue what that means.
But sure you can always find someone standing in line for a bigger nr. There is still someone thinking that a higher nr. = better image.
With CRT its actually the other way around, and a few years back the advise was to lower resolution to get a sharper and better resolve the signal on your CRT.. Seems like thats all forgotten.
If im not much mistaken, in a few years we will see someone asking for a 8K moome card.. 
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thewolfman
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There's always interlaced 4K to go with this too. And it's already out there on youtube, and in fact, why don't we ask him what he thinks of a master moome card like that would bring to the table.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=interlaced+4k
Second of all.. if moome has the brains to build it, and it only boils down to who are interested in buying them, then why not?
I think I would pay 500$ for a card like that.
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jbmeyer13
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| thewolfman wrote: | There's always interlaced 4K to go with this too. And it's already out there on youtube, and in fact, why don't we ask him what he thinks of a master moome card like that would bring to the table.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=interlaced+4k
Second of all.. if moome has the brains to build it, and it only boils down to who are interested in buying them, then why not?
I think I would pay 500$ for a card like that. |
The card is meaningless if your PJ can't fully resolve that signal. Furthermore, 4K interlaced is essentially 2K progressive. I'm not saying any of this to be a smart ass rather I'm trying to understand what you think you would gain.
It all comes back to the fact that unless you are fully resolving 1080p/60 or 72 it's a pointless and potentially expensive exercise.
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | There's always interlaced 4K to go with this too. And it's already out there on youtube, and in fact, why don't we ask him what he thinks of a master moome card like that would bring to the table.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=interlaced+4k
Second of all.. if moome has the brains to build it, and it only boils down to who are interested in buying them, then why not?
I think I would pay 500$ for a card like that. |
The card is meaningless if your PJ can't fully resolve that signal. Furthermore, 4K interlaced is essentially 2K progressive. I'm not saying any of this to be a smart ass rather I'm trying to understand what you think you would gain.
It all comes back to the fact that unless you are fully resolving 1080p/60 or 72 it's a pointless and potentially expensive exercise. |
But what if there was a line up, for say 500$, just to find out, would you get it?
All considered, we are all well below any high end digital pj, and if there's anything that could take us to the next level, that would be it I think. It doesn't even have to be 4K to begin with. Just a another level, like the poster of this query suggested.
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | Furthermore, 4K interlaced is essentially 2K progressive. |
In bandwidth, but not in resolution
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| thewolfman wrote: | | jbmeyer13 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | There's always interlaced 4K to go with this too. And it's already out there on youtube, and in fact, why don't we ask him what he thinks of a master moome card like that would bring to the table.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=interlaced+4k
Second of all.. if moome has the brains to build it, and it only boils down to who are interested in buying them, then why not?
I think I would pay 500$ for a card like that. |
The card is meaningless if your PJ can't fully resolve that signal. Furthermore, 4K interlaced is essentially 2K progressive. I'm not saying any of this to be a smart ass rather I'm trying to understand what you think you would gain.
It all comes back to the fact that unless you are fully resolving 1080p/60 or 72 it's a pointless and potentially expensive exercise. |
But what if there was a line up, for say 500$, just to find out, would you get it?
All considered, we are all well below any high end digital pj, and if there's anything that could take us to the next level, that would be it I think. It doesn't even have to be 4K to begin with. Just a another level, like the poster of this query suggested. |
The next level is to start use the full potential of the format we have already, and you still need to lower your video resolution/ bandwidth to better resolve in on your CRT.
If you can display both a fully resolved 1080P 72hz croma and luma signal, who behaves totally linear across the hole grayscale, then you will have a very unike digital, and analog video chain.
So maybe you should try out some 720P material and get that perfect before you wish for more. After that you can try if there is any potential left and push it up to 1080P.
You can also try share how you would setup a higher resolution video chain, from player to porch settings, keep out the raster ringing, and the bandwidth you expect to run and how to resolve it.
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