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| draganm wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | [ The best part of it is that I got improved sharpness with these neck boards, and even got rid of that smeared section that always plagued me on the mid half of left side. It's always been there before but gone now. The sides and edges really cleaned up very nicely to.  |
half the improvement people get from the HD mod's is the neck cards since a lot of them look like your old ones. Getting them back to proper condition is step 1 , filtering some of the noise is step 2 . Look at your old card, the black heater voltage wires carry a lot of noise and they're smashed flat down onto the video signal circuitry. VDC puts a spot of glue there now (other pic), but really the wire should be put on the other side and a choke added. |
Ok, I never knew what those cables were for, but since you pointed it out to me, I see what you mean with the glue as it raised the cables several mm.
Oh and I wish these cards were the once MP had his hands on and not the once coming.. the once coming should be upgraded to his latest stuff, sure, but handing him over these 2008 edition should yield even better results, so I'm going to ask if he will do these cards to sometime. Just for kicks.
Got any picture on that choke you're talking about?
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That choke coil must be a rather big coil. Probable close to 1 Amperes going through it?
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Some poorly shot mobile screenies that went wrong one way or another. Be it soft edges or with the old stock VNB. Whatever happened I'll redo them at some point with new boards and a real camera.
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Took some photos last night, for reference, until I get a real camera instead of using this sh*tty mobile. But images is totally useless for patterns because finer lines gets lost completely, even while blue remains with the old neck board and the camera I'm using, I think it's worth posting to see how it turned out this far. I will take them again later to see if there is a visible difference whit a new camera and more new gear inside.
Blue is also very blurry at the moment and I just can't get rid of it. It's not suppose to be like that, but the last 8 inches or so is blurry to the point that text is unreadable, but hopefully it will go away with the MP cards coming, or with another complete initialization.
Red was never loosen so I used that tube to aim the others when putting it all back together, so I know it's not lensflap. However, I did defocus blue a little bit and that made the edge a tad better so not all bad. The lenses needs be bolted down to but still the best image I ever had.
So I'm pleasantly surprised how fresher boards could have such an impact on the image like I am seeing. And I'm glad I made the jump and bought this stuff from Curt and that he made such a sweet deal on it to. Thanks! 
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| thewolfman wrote: | | And I'm glad I made the jump and bought this stuff from Curt and that he made such a sweet deal on it to. Thanks! |
I have 9 more in stock, hint hint! 
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Yes these 2008 boards are great. Probable the last fabricage with the old design. I advise everyone to try and get them.
Pictures look great. I know the camera adds noise so in reality it must be even better. The trick with a camera is to have one that can be set on shutter time 2 sec or so and on a tripod. Also if this is with a phone you must have a lot of light?
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thewolfman
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| redfox001 wrote: | Yes these 2008 boards are great. Probable the last fabricage with the old design. I advise everyone to try and get them.
Pictures look great. I know the camera adds noise so in reality it must be even better. The trick with a camera is to have one that can be set on shutter time 2 sec or so and on a tripod. |
So what can be said about boards with new the design than? If memory serves me right there are versions that can't be modded by MP?
And I took the pictures with night mode on with a 8mb Sony Ericsson on my knee. It wont get better than this as I have tried before.
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redfox001
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| thewolfman wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | Yes these 2008 boards are great. Probable the last fabricage with the old design. I advise everyone to try and get them.
Pictures look great. I know the camera adds noise so in reality it must be even better. The trick with a camera is to have one that can be set on shutter time 2 sec or so and on a tripod. |
So what can be said about boards with new the design than? If memory serves me right there are versions that can't be modded by MP?
And I took the pictures with night mode on with a 8mb Sony Ericsson on my knee. It wont get better than this as I have tried before. |
Yes I think you have a lot of light. I f I make iphone pictures I get much more noise only with the very bright scenes it compares.
The new design I don't know anything about but I know Mike was very happy with the old design and late fabricage.
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thewolfman
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| redfox001 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | Yes these 2008 boards are great. Probable the last fabricage with the old design. I advise everyone to try and get them.
Pictures look great. I know the camera adds noise so in reality it must be even better. The trick with a camera is to have one that can be set on shutter time 2 sec or so and on a tripod. |
So what can be said about boards with new the design than? If memory serves me right there are versions that can't be modded by MP?
And I took the pictures with night mode on with a 8mb Sony Ericsson on my knee. It wont get better than this as I have tried before. |
Yes I think you have a lot of light. I f I make iphone pictures I get much more noise only with the very bright scenes it compares.
The new design I don't know anything about but I know Mike was very happy with the old design and late fabricage. |
Yeah, white just morphs things together so there is no detail left with a mobile like this. Any old camera would be better of than this I think. But going to take some space scenes from Prometheus tonight. The scene where the ship floats through space and the camera shots around in 360 degrees. Slow powerful scene and it doesn't get any blacker than that.
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Yeah Prometheus that is my avatar  The god of technology that brought the fire to the earth according to the Greek. Might be closer to the truth than we realise on a spaceship.
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Some night shots. New settings with Contrast @ 62 and brightness @ 14.. I had them a bit to high before. From Hell pix, the one with the knife, clearly tells the limitations of this camera because you can't see what the guys jacket is made of. It's actually Manchester.
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Wow! These pictures are a lot better. I am impressed. The Mike Parker boards shall improve the 1:1 but I wonder if they realy can improve a lot on these pictures. If they can we will be shocked 
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| redfox001 wrote: | | Wow! These pictures are a lot better. I am impressed. The Mike Parker boards shall improve the 1:1 but I wonder if they realy can improve a lot on these pictures. If they can we will be shocked |
Thanks for saying that.
Yes, Prometheus steered me of in the right direction as I saw how washed out space looked like and how bright I have gotten things lately. But It's better now. I used AVIA disc for this, but as always, I ended up doing some deviations form the settings they come up with..
So, what's the best disc for setting contrast and brightness you think? I have AVIA and Digital Video Essentials HD for this and don't like either one of them really. It could be just me, but they seem to differ on how they want the image to look like in this regard, and it's pissing me off that I'm not fully satisfied with the outcome.
Do you think that the fabric can be brought out to see in the knife-scene with a better camera?
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I don't think any camera is able to display the CRT contrast
I always use the avshd test patterns. They can be downloaded here but you have to burn them on some compattible disk dor your player.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html
In the basic settings folder there are excellent pictures for brightness and contrast checking. If you have the blackbars for brightness adjust untill 16 is just visible. It is self explaining. Hope the links still work.
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By the way the blooming at high contrast is something that the Mike Parker boards should fix. He says that we used to think that blooming was caused by scanlines overlapping so a better focus coil would fix that but in fact the blooming is caused by the 1:1 not being resolved in the video path at high contrast making the edges become unsharp. That is some other way of thinking.
anyway if you have these boards Strid says he can go to 100 contrast without blooming with normal focus coils. That proofs it I think.
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I actually tested to ramp contrast to 100 last night, intense yes, but the grid pattern holds tight. But I'll do it again tonight and see if the finer lines still remains on 1:1. That's all I can bring to the table as I know nothing about resolvability.. I just use it to see how my lensflap is set and what the sharpness looks like. But it will be fun learning more about 1:1 as time go by.
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I took some images tonight, with contrast @ 62 and 100, where red came out on top of green and green over blue. It's a meaningless little test, I know, but at least there is one to look at now. But it occurred to me now that I'm getting a brand new red soon, with pre-set magnets and all, so that will be put to the test asap. I have almost motionless dots with ramping master-focus up and down so that should be a test on its own to.
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@ Digitalayon. I guess those extra geometry features gets to be less and less useful the more the pj is levelled towards the screen.
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He I don't get the testpictures. Mine have three blocks in the middle. What am I looking at I don' see it.
But your picture was somewhat sharper using lower contrast?
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| redfox001 wrote: | He I don't get the testpictures. Mine have three blocks in the middle. What am I looking at I don' see it.
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It was just to see how much blooming there is between the two. It's a test about Frankenyokes and if they ad anything at all. My new red tube will be with stock coils so I'm going to do the exact same thing with that and see how much blooming there is then. And also to see how much movement there is on dots with ramping focus up and down 0-100. But contrast at 100 is just for a few seconds and so had no time making a call on how the image looked like. Grid patterns show enough I think.
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Yeah you have 3 now!
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