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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24396 Location: Langley, BC
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:42 pm Post subject: Need good BR/Demo movies! |
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So now that the HT is actually running, I need anyone reading this to quickly name 3 good movies on BR that I can use in my theater. I don't care whether you recommend it based on a good movie or whether it's just for the audio or visual wow factor. My BR movie collection is woefully out of date, and I'll be buying used on eBay.
The g/f gave me her list last night, a bunch of good movies, but she likes a lot of older movies, which won't give me a WOW factor either in the audio or video soundtrack.
I do have Avatar and the Dark Knight, but that's about it.
So quickly, off the top of your head, give me your 3 top movies with WOW factor!
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Nashou66
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
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kal Forum Administrator
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24396 Location: Langley, BC
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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DOH! Helps if I look at my own forum!
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 26706 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Wow I actually laughed out loud at this
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jeffslife
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 4190 Location: ohio usa
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Public Enemies is very detailed both visually and acoustically, its also an interesting movie. One of my favorites.
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 18114 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| jeffslife wrote: | | Public Enemies is very detailed both visually and acoustically, its also an interesting movie. One of my favorites. |
I'm going to have to violently disagree with this one. I had to stop the movie half way through to go look up how it was shot as it has an incredibly crappy "video" (30 fps) look to it, like some cheap made for TV movie.
I found lots of people complaining about it, including:
http://www.theblackandblue.com/2010/03/04/top-5-directors-who-shouldve-stayed-away-from-digital-filmmaking/
| Quote: | 5. Michael Mann (Public Enemies)
Public Enemies was a film with a strong cast and a strong premise. How can you go wrong with Johnny Depp and Christian Bale fighting each other during the 20′s gangster era? By messing with the tried and true image that film provides. Shot with Sony HD cameras, director Michael Mann and cinematographer Dante Spinotti (the same team that brought us the excellent movie Heat) wanted to bring the period piece into modern times. Their theory was that if you bring the clean world of HD into the past, it gives the time period a feeling of immediacy and modernity that can’t be evoked with film. Translation: film would’ve made the past seem well, most past-like. It’s the same idea that watching a home movie on VHS or 8mm evokes a certain era.
So what’s the problem then?
It didn’t work. At all. There is a certain expectation in watching a period piece that helps transplant you into that era. Film is one trick that can be used for this. The problem is the same as showing TV clips from the Vietnam war in High-Definition: it just doesn’t look right. Well, Mann and Spinotti ignored this and brought HD cameras back in time and gave the film an awkward stilted feel.
The number one evidence of this is in the gunfight scene in the woods. For this scene, they changed the shutter angle on the Sony cameras to 360 degrees, providing a look and feel that is similar to a 30fps framerate. (For those not familiar, film is shot at 24 frames per second, TV is at 30fps. Often that is why something shot on your home camcorder looks more amateur than “film-like”). The result was, for a trained eye, that it felt more like watching behind-the-scenes scrap footage of the gun-fight instead of the actual footage they shot of it. It was supposed to provide a reality. However, the problem is, that audiences are so attuned to the nuances of film that going against those conventions gives off an apparent fake quality.
The film also suffers from questionable cinematography: there are awkward wide angle close-ups that belong more in a Gilliam movie, but they are inconsistent and ill-placed. There is no purpose for them; it’s gimmicky. I hated this film and for more reasons than just the cinematography. Its a shame that Mann and Spinotti turned out such a disappointing venture, and part of the reason was for their misguided use of the digital medium. |
That "video" look coupled that with bad framing, horrible lighting and needing to pump up the Gain, which introduces noise... I find they produced a crappy, horrible looking film.
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
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Wow, that's really surprising, Kal… And disappointing. I'm a big Michael Mann fan, and of Miami Vice (both new and old). Mann shot the new Miami Vice movie on digital and it was beautifully done. He's kind of regarded as one of the more adept directors at shooting digitally - especially at night. Collateral was another he shot on digital. Lots of real night scenes that would have simply been impossible on film. The gain is cranked up it does make for some noisy images, but that's part of the look of the films, and it would have been simply impossible to have shot that way on film. In fact, I found the title of the article you linked to laughable… Mann is for all intents and purposes, a master of digital film-making, so I can't fathom why anybody would suggest he should "stay way from it".
I haven't seen Public Enemies, though… I'll have to check it out so I can weigh in with some authority.
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kal Forum Administrator
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jeffslife
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 4190 Location: ohio usa
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Taken from BLU RAY .COM
Public Enemies Blu-ray, Video Quality 4.0 of 5
As he did with Collateral and Miami Vice, Mann shot the majority of Public Enemies with high definition cameras. The resulting image boasts greater detail and more revealing delineation, sure, but it also suffers from a harsh, digitized sheen (rife with shimmering hair and underbrush) that, at times, seems at complete odds with the subjects and era at hand. Still, regardless of one's appreciation or distaste for Mann's decision, it's difficult to deny the quality of Univeral's 1080p/VC-1 transfer. Colors, though regularly bathed in warm oranges and crisp whites, are rich and rewarding, skintones are convincing, and blacks are nearly bottomless. Likewise, textures are incredibly refined (particularly in close-ups) and foreground objects pop, lending the presentation a series of striking, occasionally jaw-dropping showcase shots. It helps that artifacting, banding, and crush are never an issue (well, aside from a lingering red light haunted by macroblocking), and source noise, while a bit more intrusive in some scenes (the worst of which occurs during a late-night shootout and subsequent car chase), isn't a significant problem.
My only legitimate complaint? As seems to be the case with many a Universal transfer, edge enhancement has been applied liberally, cursing high-contrast sequences and wide shots with obvious, sometimes distracting ringing. It certainly doesn't spoil the proceedings, but it does hinder the overall impact of Dante Spinotti's razor-sharp photography, even if ever so slightly. All things considered, the Blu-ray edition of Public Enemies remains quite faithful to Mann's vision and should please fans accordingly.
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jeffslife
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ALSO from BLURAY.COM The audio review.
Public Enemies Blu-ray, Audio Quality 4.5 of 5
Let me cut to the chase. Public Enemies storms Blu-ray with a thundering yet nuanced DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 surround track; one that renders gunfire as deafening and frightening as it should be. Unlike Transformers 2, G.I. Joe, and other Bay-inspired modern mixes, Mann's film draws listeners in with subtly and silence before assaulting them with roaring shotgun blasts and spewing Tommy Guns. The LFE channel is tremendously successful, imbuing everything from shootouts to the swell of Elliot Goldenthal's score with genuine presence. I wouldn't watch this one if anyone in your house is hoping to get some sleep. Even so, dialogue is clean and intelligible, rear speaker activity is involving, and the soundfield continually wraps its burly arms around all those in the vicinity. Pans are just as proficient; effects practically dance from speaker to speaker. Granted, directionality is a tad spotty and several scenes are strangely front-heavy (Dillinger's first press conference is surprisingly two-dimensional), but interior acoustics are, more often than not, believable (especially when it comes to the film's prisons, banks, and hotels). Even though some viewers will need to keep their fingers hovering over the volume buttons on their remotes, it's difficult to deny that Public Enemies sounds fantastic. Enjoy, dear readers, enjoy.
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napos
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 164 Location: Athens, Greece
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For black level, this is the mother of all black level movies: Pandorum. It is so dark that you can only enjoy it on a good CRT. I can't even watch it on my Panasonic 50PZ80 plasma. Not enough contrast! The entire movie must be bellow 20 IRE!!! The only daylight scene is about 90 seconds at the end of the movie!!!
Underworld Evolution is also pretty close as far as black level.
U-571 is also great. I have it on HD-DVD and I assume the Blu-ray will be just as good.
Finally, The Wolverine (2013) is one of my new favorites for dynamic range. Tons of night scenes and daylight scenes that will test your ANSI contrast to the max!
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24396 Location: Langley, BC
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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As per my stack thread, I watched Master and Commander last night. A must-have to demo surround effects IMHO.
Turns out Barb has never seen Fifth Element, so that's going to be on tonight.
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