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redfox001
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My opinion must be that an other thing that brings out the details next to bandwidth is probable noise. I do not believe that lug tubes will bring out more detail.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | Wow a new Eisemann BARCO mod.. Wonder if there will be any documentation showing how the improvement was calculated.?
Greg there is some really simple test patterns who will help you document the performance, you should try post some screen shots.
What is the bandwidth of the latest fully moddet 909.? |
Honestly... Who f***en cares?
Why dont you buy one and do your own experiments? Lets see what you can do with it.
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redfox001
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | I have one problem with the Moome. I want to disable the gamma. I guessed the right gamma by going clicks up or down till it looked right than I measured and the gamma turned out to be reasonable but it would be simpler if I could disable the gamma.
If I post a picture could someone help me with that? |
Shoot Moome an email and ask him. On his current design you will probably have to remove a very small surface mount IC. This will take the gamma circuit out of the equation. I could probably tell you by looking at high resolution images of the front of the board, but I'm not sure.
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Moome replied to press 0 on the remote to set gamma to zero.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:06 am Post subject: |
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I havent had time to do more than install and quick look yest, but it is OBVIOUSLY better image quality over the EXT V3.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| redfox001 wrote: | | CIR Engineering wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | I have one problem with the Moome. I want to disable the gamma. I guessed the right gamma by going clicks up or down till it looked right than I measured and the gamma turned out to be reasonable but it would be simpler if I could disable the gamma.
If I post a picture could someone help me with that? |
Shoot Moome an email and ask him. On his current design you will probably have to remove a very small surface mount IC. This will take the gamma circuit out of the equation. I could probably tell you by looking at high resolution images of the front of the board, but I'm not sure.
craigr |
Moome replied to press 0 on the remote to set gamma to zero. |
Its in the downloadable manual yes.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:12 am Post subject: |
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It looks as though custom timings have been put to the output side for 1920x1080p 60Hz, as the active image is not as wide within the raster.
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Francisco
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Looks nice Case 
As a lot of movies are still 16:9 1080p @24hz I like to have 1080p@72hz. I know it's pushing the projector but actually I was amazed how good it preformed. And as I already mentioned as Greg also does, you'll need a modified video chain to get the best out of the moome.
I'm running it this way: Source 1080p 24hz(dune hd max or ps3) > HDfury 4 (used as a scaler to triple 24hz) > 1080p72hz > Moome Barco HD
So the HD fury only tripling the framerate digitally, as Kurt already found the Fury4 doesn't do any bad to the signal.
It's quite a need solution also as the Moome board has several inputs for other sources.
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redfox001
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | I havent had time to do more than install and quick look yest, but it is OBVIOUSLY better image quality over the EXT V3.
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Glad someone agrees and that is even without the transistor replaced. I think the transistor will do a little but not so much. I might do a test with and old switcher to compare and post some pics how to replace those yourself.
One thing. I had such a flat cable once and I could not get the cable to handshake. Does it work? I still have the cable will try again.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Yeah they all worked fine, i bought 8 of them with male one end female other end, to test i just joined them all together and had no issues, going through 9 HDMI leads, one of which is 10 meters.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Francisco wrote: | Looks nice Case
As a lot of movies are still 16:9 1080p @24hz I like to have 1080p@72hz. I know it's pushing the projector but actually I was amazed how good it preformed. And as I already mentioned as Greg also does, you'll need a modified video chain to get the best out of the moome.
I'm running it this way: Source 1080p 24hz(dune hd max or ps3) > HDfury 4 (used as a scaler to triple 24hz) > 1080p72hz > Moome Barco HD
So the HD fury only tripling the framerate digitally, as Kurt already found the Fury4 doesn't do any bad to the signal.
It's quite a need solution also as the Moome board has several inputs for other sources. |
Very interesting yes... Can it also do 48Hz from a 24p signal?
I dont think ill be too bothered with much else, this card is basically the same as my port 5 RGB, maybe a touch sharper.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Francisco wrote: | Looks nice Case
As a lot of movies are still 16:9 1080p @24hz I like to have 1080p@72hz. I know it's pushing the projector but actually I was amazed how good it preformed. And as I already mentioned as Greg also does, you'll need a modified video chain to get the best out of the moome.
I'm running it this way: Source 1080p 24hz(dune hd max or ps3) > HDfury 4 (used as a scaler to triple 24hz) > 1080p72hz > Moome Barco HD
So the HD fury only tripling the framerate digitally, as Kurt already found the Fury4 doesn't do any bad to the signal.
It's quite a need solution also as the Moome board has several inputs for other sources. |
I never told that the Hdfury dont do any bad to the image, it do, its just the best processor i have been able to find for the frame tripling so far.
It do limit the croma bandwidth some, so żou get some and give some, i can live with the Hdfury4 for now, but still hope they will fix the radiance so it dont make a total mess of the signal, just passing true.
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Curt Palme
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My boards are at the post office! D
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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The nVIDIA 3D Vision seems to also work as it should with the new card, but im still in the test phase there yes, havent plugged it all in.
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redfox001
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | The nVIDIA 3D Vision seems to also work as it should with the new card, but im still in the test phase there yes, havent plugged it all in. |
3D works! Nice 
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Well yes it does work, but NOT with the nVIDIA emitter, you will need another type of emitter. I havent pulled out the older machine to see if itll work with the older drivers yet though.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Whats got me stuffed here is why they say to move the focus coils for best focus at 57 centre, with mine there i have little to no control over the edges for some reason...
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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Is there nobody who is going to post a before and after the new Moome card shot of different testpatterns, ilustrating the differences.?
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Mate if i do youd discount them just as you did last time, so what for?
Ill ask you again why you dont go and buy your own Cine 9 and do your own testing?
The minute someone shows you these machines are better than you thought you want to call it bull**** and rave on they cant do 100MHz...
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Mate if i do youd discount them just as you did last time, so what for?
Ill ask you again why you dont go and buy your own Cine 9 and do your own testing?
The minute someone shows you these machines are better than you thought you want to call it bull**** and rave on they cant do 100MHz... |
Relax, i t was not addressed to you, I was hoping that some of the other guys who are healthy, have time and the skills will respond.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Im always relaxed and i dont care who you addressed it to, i asked you a question, and i also would like to know why you care what the difference is, you seem to be sure theyre garbage, so why the interest? When i got results almost as good as Francisco all of a sudden there is some sort of anomaly...
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