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Digital PJ's, chasing Nirvana.

 
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deronmoped



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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:41 pm    Post subject: Digital PJ's, chasing Nirvana.

I was wondering where everyone would be, if we were chasing the Digital "State of the Art".

It's been years since I've done any serious theater work. My theater is pretty state of the art as far as I'm concerned. A few minor up grades on occasion, other then that I have been just enjoying it. Last night I was watching a movie with fairly good image quality and it occurred to me, that it reminded me of seeing a image which was compatible to film at movie theaters.

Now if I had dumped the CRT and jumped on the Digital boat years ago, would I be happy, probably not. With every new model digital projector coming out constantly, I would be feeling inadequate, "Image Envy". I actually have a friend that is into flat panels and is doing just that. Not happy with what he has, or not happy because there is something "Better" (at least that is what they are advertising), buying a new panel (with the option to return) just to see if it will be any better then his old "awesome" display.

Is that common over in the digital arenas? Chasing Nirvana?

Deron.
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digitalayon



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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:28 pm    Post subject:

I know exactly what you mean! Companies are counting on us to by the latest and greatest. They want us to the point that we buy a new one every other year. If you but a front loading washer(my worst mistake ever), you will experience this.
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jeffslife



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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:20 pm    Post subject:

Why should digital be any different than CRT ? 7,8,9 inch. scaler, video processer,high end cables, high gain screen,etc... etc...
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HogPilot



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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:33 pm    Post subject:

I've owned the RS1, RS2, RS35, RS50, and RS55 from JVC. At the time I upgraded almost every year to take advantage of relatively major updates (increases in contrast ratio, addition of a full CMS, eShift processing, etc), but also to maximize the resale value of my PJs. Most of my upgrades cost me little to nothing because I would sell right after CEDIA, which was a large factor in my deciding to upgrade.

It's easy to read forums like AVS and get caught up in some people's comparisons of last year's model to this year, and to think that each new iteration of projector is leaps and bounds better than the last. It's true that this can breed a sense of "upgraditis" in some, but the reality is that most of the changes every year are evolutionary rather than revolutionary and there are plenty of people who buy digital projectors and happily hold on to them for years.

Of course, after a while, complete contentment with what you have relies - at least in part - on not experiencing what's better than what you have:

jeffslife wrote:
Why should digital be any different than CRT ? 7,8,9 inch. scaler, video processer,high end cables, high gain screen,etc... etc...


Until the perfect video display is invented, we're all chasing video nirvana, regardless of our tech of choice. Mr. Green

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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Digital PJ's, chasing Nirvana.

deronmoped wrote:
It's been years since I've done any serious theater work. My theater is pretty state of the art as far as I'm concerned.
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Now if I had dumped the CRT and jumped on the Digital boat years ago, would I be happy, probably not. With every new model digital projector coming out constantly, I would be feeling inadequate, "Image Envy". I actually have a friend that is into flat panels and is doing just that.

Ummm… There are people here with CRT systems far superior to yours, Deron. A 10PG is a great machine, but some here have G90s or 9500s, stacks, blends, Lumagen with über-tweaked calibration, Oppos, expensive screens… Many of them are on their third, fourth, even fifth CRT projector. I went through before I went digital, and that doesn't count owning several others at the same time.

Speaking of digital, I'll have had my RS45 for two years in May/June, and I don't see myself upgrading for at least another year or two. So, I'll probably end up watching my digital almost as long as I've watched any one of my CRTs.

HogPilot wrote:
jeffslife wrote:
Why should digital be any different than CRT ? 7,8,9 inch. scaler, video processer,high end cables, high gain screen,etc... etc...


Until the perfect video display is invented, we're all chasing video nirvana, regardless of our tech of choice. Mr. Green


Exactly right. Many here have spent as much or more money on upgrades and/or mods than what they spent on their projector in the first place.

Chasing nirvana isn't about one technology or the other. It's more about your priorities, how much of a perfectionist a guy is, how much of an enthusiast a guy is, how much disposable income he has, and what other hobbies and pursuits he's interested in.

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Curt Palme
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:33 pm    Post subject:

If you check avs, there's some newbie 'DJ Dee' that's bashing CRT all over a thread. Read that.. not only is he ignorant, but I think he said that he's upgraded 10 times. Seriously? think of the cash outlay...
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HogPilot



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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:19 am    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
If you check avs, there's some newbie 'DJ Dee' that's bashing CRT all over a thread. Read that.. not only is he ignorant, but I think he said that he's upgraded 10 times. Seriously? think of the cash outlay...


Yeah, he's an idiot. Not much you can do aside from logically refute his pedantic babbling, and hope that most readers will separate the wheat from the chaff on their own. I guess that's true of the internet in general.

ecrabb wrote:
Exactly right. Many here have spent as much or more money on upgrades and/or mods than what they spent on their projector in the first place.

Chasing nirvana isn't about one technology or the other. It's more about your priorities, how much of a perfectionist a guy is, how much of an enthusiast a guy is, how much disposable income he has, and what other hobbies and pursuits he's interested in.


+1 - couldn't have put it better myself. If we truly reach perfection in the video or audio world some day, I'm sure I'll marvel at the perfectly faithful reproduction regularly, but it will also eliminate some of the fun of this hobby Smile

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Interesting, Mac isn't returning my emails. Go figure.

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Francisco



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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:46 am    Post subject:

I think DJ DEE is our Diddern here on the forum with his "hehe"
He likes to stir things up I think and always targetting what he calls " crt fanboys"

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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:08 am    Post subject:

what is avs?
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Spanky Ham



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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:49 am    Post subject:

I don't think a majority of the digital owners are upgrading every year. I think there are a small percentage of digital buyers that buy every year and those are usually the vocal ones over at AVS. More power to them, but as Hog noted most improvements each year are evolutionary not revolutionary.

On a personal note, my best friend has owned exactly two projectors in the last ten years. His first was the Sanyo PLV70 which he replaced with a RS45 two years ago. I needle him about upgrading to 4k, but he just laughs off any upgrade for at least another two to five years.




digitalayon wrote:
I know exactly what you mean! Companies are counting on us to by the latest and greatest. They want us to the point that we buy a new one every other year. If you but a front loading washer(my worst mistake ever), you will experience this.


Not if you own a Miele. Smile
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:24 am    Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:
On a personal note, my best friend has owned exactly two projectors in the last ten years. His first was the Sanyo PLV70 which he replaced with a RS45 two years ago. I needle him about upgrading to 4k, but he just laughs off any upgrade for at least another two to five years.

My dad is still using the PLV-Z4 he bought 5 or 6 years ago. I think he's nearing the end of his second lamp.

A good friend from Chicago is using the same Pioneer Elite PRO-FPJ1 (JVC RS2) since he took his 1271 down 4 years ago.

Another friend of mine has used the ever-loving crap out of his low-end Panny AX100 for 3-4 years. They use it in a den/living room as their main TV. I think he's on his third or fourth lamp.

In fact, in my circle, I don't know anybody who's had their projector for less than three or four years.

I think it's like Spanky says, for every one vocal guy over at AVS that's talking about upgrading every year or two, there are ten more that keep the projector they bought for four or five years.

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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:33 am    Post subject:

nettwerkjohn wrote:
what is avs?

Its another forum.

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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:36 pm    Post subject:

sorry case, i was taking the mickey...

just haven't been there in like, oh, about 8 years...
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:31 am    Post subject:

nettwerkjohn wrote:
sorry case, i was taking the mickey...

just haven't been there in like, oh, about 8 years...

Roger that, shouldve known with you being a bloody Kiwi and all Laughing

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