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sergio leone jr
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:22 pm Post subject: JVC DLA-X55R + DVDO VP 50 Pro handshake problem? |
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I can't get signal thru VP50pro to my new projector JVC X55R. I had JVC HD-100 before. First tryed with old settings, after that every possible resolution, several HDMI-cables etc. Tryed play from Oppo 103, Popcornhour, TVICO and from Denon DVD player with SD out. I can get signal thru VP50 to my tv-unit but only way to get signal to JVC is without VP50. I'm not using 3D, tryed without 4k, with 444, 442, RGB. What's the problem? Any hint folks?
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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You probably already tried this, but have you used both inputs on the JVC? Occasionally you'll get an input that's finicky.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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What's the JVC behavior with the VP50 in the chain? Just a black screen?
What's your whole signal chain look like when it's not working?
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sergio leone jr
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | What's the JVC behavior with the VP50 in the chain? Just a black screen?
What's your whole signal chain look like when it's not working
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JVC is blinking once, and after that screen is black. And same again, again, again...
Normally signal chain is this: Oppo 103 - Yamaha AV Amp 2065 - VP 50pro - JVC X55. Connected with HDMI 1.3. Worked fine with JVC-HD 100. I tryed it without Yamaha: Oppo - VP50 - JVC. No luck. Source direct doesn't help.
And yes, I tryed JVC's other inputs, and other cables.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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OK, the "blink once then black" behavior is very familiar to me. I'm quoting myself from another thread, here…
| ecrabb wrote: | You can read about my travails in the $25 stripper thread, here:
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=395706#395706
The next page of that thread has the post I made as one of the happiest people on the planet. It was right up there with the day my kids were born. OK, I'm exaggerating. A little. The executive summary is that a $20 HDMI splitter from China solved the TRAIN WRECK of HDMI problems I was having with my Onkyo/Integra-and-JVC signal chain. I can't say for certain whether it will solve your problem, but for less than $20, if you're even remotely as frustrated as I was, it will be worth every penny and then some. |
Sounds very much like the issue I have (had, technically) with my RS45 and my Integra DHC-9.9. I could get mine to work sometimes, so that's different, but it was extremely frustrating at times… Power-cycling, input-switching… Eventually I'd hit a combination that would work, but it was terrible.
I think it's worth a try given the cost. I'd also love to know how you fare.
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sergio leone jr
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks ecrabb, I will try later that chinese miracle. But first I'm trying crying, yellowing and shorter cable. I noticed that you had G70. I still have my G90 hanging over my head. It's sad that industry didn't go longer to crt-way, because it's still some how better than digital pj, specially if source is dvd. JVC X55 can product very good contrast, but picture is little "plastic". I have always liked filmlike image. With good source JVC is splendid, but...
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ecrabb
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| sergio leone jr wrote: | | Thanks ecrabb, I will try later that chinese miracle. But first I'm trying crying, yellowing and shorter cable. I noticed that you had G70. I still have my G90 hanging over my head. It's sad that industry didn't go longer to crt-way, because it's still some how better than digital pj, specially if source is dvd. JVC X55 can product very good contrast, but picture is little "plastic". I have always liked filmlike image. With good source JVC is splendid, but... |
There is something magical about the image from a really, really good CRT - especially with a really good source. For me though, it's the movies I love more than the equipment. The negatives of the CRT always weighed heavily against the positives, but there wasn't any alternative without giving up way to much image quality. Finally, the image quality on the JVCs got good enough that I was willing to switch to eliminate some of the major CRT negatives.
I don't miss the size and noise, but I definitely miss the ultra-black and silky-smooth film-like image quality. If I'd had a G90, I probably wouldn't have switched just quite yet. I'd probably be waiting for this latest generation of true 4k, or perhaps next year's model to jump in.
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sergio leone jr
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I agree with that. But you know how marriage is... my G90 goes or my wife goes. Theres only 1700 hours on the tubes of my crt and over 40 years in my wifes "tubes". You can quess which one have to go.
By the way, shorter cable didn't solve my JVC problem...
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Does your wife know you're talking about her tubes on the internet? 
I'm lucky in that my theater was my room to do with as I pleased. Completely my domain. If I would have wanted to sell my G70 and put a G90 in, she would have just shook her head. I just got really tired of the noise and the fact that no hush box was really adequate. I had built new subs and was trying to upgrade my audio a little, and the CRT really ruined the noise floor in the room. It's SO much quieter and more enjoyable to be in the room and listen to music, now.
Yeah, I didn't figure the shorter cable would solve anything. It really does sound like a handshake; almost identical to my problem. I'd bet money that the stupid splitter/stripper will make it work. If you order one and it works, please follow up here so we can add your data to the pile.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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I have the same isue with my JVC X7 and DVDO VP50, and the DVDO VP50Pro was worse.
I could get a conection unplugging the power from the VP50, and plug it back in, not on the wall outlet, but on the back of the DVDO.
You might need to do it 3-4-5-6-7 times before it conects right, same thing every time you power it all down, normaly mine worked if i just put the JVC and DVDO on standby when not using it, and it would most of the time conect with no problem.
I have testet with a HDCP stripper and that did not solve my problem.
Do the DVDO power on off on off on off.?
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sergio leone jr
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Theres a lot of things my wife doesn't know about me... example, that I just bought that very expensive splitter after reading the whole thread of china miracle.
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ecrabb
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| sergio leone jr wrote: | | Theres a lot of things my wife doesn't know about me... example, that I just bought that very expensive splitter after reading the whole thread of china miracle. |
We have much in common.
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sergio leone jr
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| stridsvognen wrote: | I have the same isue with my JVC X7 and DVDO VP50, and the DVDO VP50Pro was worse.
I could get a conection unplugging the power from the VP50, and plug it back in, not on the wall outlet, but on the back of the DVDO.
You might need to do it 3-4-5-6-7 times before it conects right, same thing every time you power it all down, normaly mine worked if i just put the JVC and DVDO on standby when not using it, and it would most of the time conect with no problem.
I have testet with a HDCP stripper and that did not solve my problem.
Do the DVDO power on off on off on off.? |
Yes DVDO powers off and on. Weird problem. Maybe so weird that only scientology can help? 
With JVC-HD 100 all was working flawlessy. Probably I was idiot when I was buying this JVC X55R, but I will try your back-power-system. I bought that splitter before reading your post. I hope it works at least as well as scientology.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| sergio leone jr wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | I have the same isue with my JVC X7 and DVDO VP50, and the DVDO VP50Pro was worse.
I could get a conection unplugging the power from the VP50, and plug it back in, not on the wall outlet, but on the back of the DVDO.
You might need to do it 3-4-5-6-7 times before it conects right, same thing every time you power it all down, normaly mine worked if i just put the JVC and DVDO on standby when not using it, and it would most of the time conect with no problem.
I have testet with a HDCP stripper and that did not solve my problem.
Do the DVDO power on off on off on off.? |
Yes DVDO powers off and on. Weird problem. Maybe so weird that only scientology can help?
With JVC-HD 100 all was working flawlessy. Probably I was idiot when I was bying this JVC X55R, but I will try your back-power-system. I bought that splitter before reading your post. I hope it works at least as well as scientology. |
Its so cheep that it wont hurt testing it, i never tested it with the Pro model, only the non pro.
But its the same problem for sure.
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sergio leone jr
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Next thing: didn't work with power off-on-off-on method. I have one unused external Moome card 1.3. Didn't work with that either. VP50 was working a while with blue connection light on , but JVC was proud and said "no signal". Is there anybody who has working combination with JVC DLA X55 and DVDO VP50pro ??? Why life is so hard???
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stridsvognen
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Are you sure that HDCP in and out of the DVDO is set right, and the resolution is supported.?
If you got the blue light in the DVDO i think its just a question about setup, try if you can make it work with a normal 1080P flat screen first, and then change it to the JVC and do the on off stunt.
The Pro model is the worse of them all, there is so many software bugs that it can be quite tricky.
Just curious, but what do you need the DVDO for in that video chain.?
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sergio leone jr
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| stridsvognen wrote: | Are you sure that HDCP in and out of the DVDO is set right, and the resolution is supported.?
If you got the blue light in the DVDO i think its just a question about setup, try if you can make it work with a normal 1080P flat screen first, and then change it to the JVC and do the on off stunt.
The Pro model is the worse of them all, there is so many software bugs that it can be quite tricky.
Just curious, but what do you need the DVDO for in that video chain.? |
Yes I'm sure they are right. I can get the picture to my HD-telly thru DVDO. Settings are exatly same as before when I was using JVC HD-100. (I got that blue light only with moome card that I tryed once.)
Reason why I use DVDO is simple, better picture from DVD and better picture from old classic films, DVD or Blu-ray. As I said, I like filmlike picture. I had better picture with my old JVC HD-100 settings than now. DVDO could be better, but it still can do some things better than the scaler inside JVC 55 and Oppo 103.
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sergio leone jr
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| ecrabb wrote: | OK, the "blink once then black" behavior is very familiar to me. I'm quoting myself from another thread, here…
| ecrabb wrote: | You can read about my travails in the $25 stripper thread, here:
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=395706#395706
The next page of that thread has the post I made as one of the happiest people on the planet. It was right up there with the day my kids were born. OK, I'm exaggerating. A little. The executive summary is that a $20 HDMI splitter from China solved the TRAIN WRECK of HDMI problems I was having with my Onkyo/Integra-and-JVC signal chain. I can't say for certain whether it will solve your problem, but for less than $20, if you're even remotely as frustrated as I was, it will be worth every penny and then some. |
Sounds very much like the issue I have (had, technically) with my RS45 and my Integra DHC-9.9. I could get mine to work sometimes, so that's different, but it was extremely frustrating at times… Power-cycling, input-switching… Eventually I'd hit a combination that would work, but it was terrible.
I think it's worth a try given the cost. I'd also love to know how you fare.
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Well now I know. Chinese miracle-splitter is here. With it I got first time picture thru VP50 to my JVC X55R. But first I had to connect my HD telly to splitter, then I moved JVC's hdmi cable for a while, got picture to telly, then I connected JVC's hdmi back to splitter and after that I got the picture. Not so simple or usable. Without tv no picture. And I got picture only from Oppo 103, and only with one resolution 1080p@24. After I saw picture, I was sure I can get better picture out from JVC 55X with DVDO 50pro. But I can't find proper solution how to make this combination work.
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